T.J. Miller 吐槽 Ansem：Solana、拳擊賽與迷因幣

0:00開場與幽默的力量

0:00大家今天過得如何？現場有些熟面孔，也有新朋友，很高興大家都來了。如果你有參加過上一次的 roast，這次會有點不一樣，這一場其實會更精彩。首先，在開始之前，我要感謝我們的贊助商。Zero G 是我們的冠名贊助，非常感謝。還有 Dojo OS 和 Antler 也在這裡。此外，今晚還有幾位很棒的講者會上台。我們有 T.J. Miller，也就是比我還不帥的 Erlich Bachman。還有 Ansem，黑牛本人，有很多可以被吐槽的地方。還有 Michael Heinrich，他老婆都叫他現代德國版成吉思汗。How's everyone doing today? Some familiar faces out here, also some new ones, as I can see. Glad to have everybody. This roast, if you had attended the last one, this one's a little bit different. This one actually is going to be a lot better. The first thing before we jump into everything, I want to give a thanks and gratitude to our sponsors. Zero G coming in as our title sponsor. Thank you so much. Come on. We have Dojo OS over here, and we have Antler right over here. In addition to that, we have a couple of really great speakers that are going to be on this. We have T.J. Miller, also referred to as the less attractive Erlich Bachman than I am. We have Ansem, the Black Bull, who has plenty of things to roast about. We also have Michael Heinrich, which also, as his wife would refer to him as, the modern-day German Genghis Khan.

0:59接下來我們有很多精彩的內容。我想先聊聊 roast 和做任何事情時的想法。我跟 TJ 討論過這個，因為我們發現大家其實都被情緒驅動。我們說的話、做的事，都是情緒在背後推動。不管是恐懼、快樂，所有行為都來自情緒。所以，不管你愛或恨某人，就是這樣。而在加密圈，出錯的人很多，但幽默卻很稀缺。我認為幽默其實是我們最大的動力之一，讓我們有動力、讓我們快樂。Moving forward into this, moving forward into this, we have some really exciting things. So. I'm going to talk about a few things and kind of lead into this. There's a lot of thoughts that I have when it comes to a roast and when it comes to doing anything. And TJ and I, we kind of came up with this because we realized, you know, we're all driven by our emotions. Everything that we do is dictated by emotions, the things that we say, the things that we act. Everything is driven by an emotion, whether it's fear, happiness, everything is driven by this. So love them or hate them, that's it. And in crypto, I think that there's no shortage of people that fuck up, but there is a shortage of humor. I would argue that humor is probably one of our most biggest motivators as to what drives us and what otherwise gets us to get motivated and makes us happy.

1:46接下來我想談談一個叫做隨機性的概念。這是我最近在研究和寫作的主題，叫做 randomism。1950 年代有位著名數學家 John von Neumann 說過，宇宙中其實沒有真正的隨機數。這個想法很有趣。我把這個概念跟我們人類如何從隨機、低機率的相遇中獲得情感連結做連結。我寫的 randomism 就是相信我們的情緒來自那些隨機、低機率的經歷。這不是什麼邪教理論，我舉個例子：比如說在某個隨機時刻愛上某人，或是看到貓做一些你預料不到的事，這些都是因為發生機率很低才讓人開心。今晚你們會看到最棒的例子，就是現場即興的笑話，讓人驚嘆於講者的腦袋有多靈活。我們今晚邀請到幾位非常厲害的腦袋，大家先給他們掌聲鼓勵一下！So what happened, what— What I'd like to talk about next is a concept called randomness. It's something that I've been working on and writing about. It's the concept of randomism. It was a famous mathematician in the 1950s, John von Neumann, who stated that there's truly no random number in the universe. And when you think of that, that's really kind of an interesting concept. But then I correlate that to what it is that we as humans find joy in. And I am writing something called randomism that is based on the belief that we derive our emotions from random low-probability encounters. This will all tie in. This isn't just some sort of, like, a cult thing that I'm doing here. I'll give some examples. Falling in love with somebody in a random encounter. There's nothing more beautiful than randomly running into somebody. I like to watch my cats play and do random shit, right? You never predict it, you never expect it, and it brings joy because of the low chance that something of that would happen. And nothing more as to what you'll get tonight is the perfect timing of a joke and knowing that that came from somebody and how quickly they thought of it on the spot. And it's like, wow, what a fascinating mind. And we've got some really fascinating minds coming out on stage tonight. So let's give them a round of applause real quick before we get everything moving.

2:55人性、隨機與 AI 時代

2:55再談隨機性，我們其實活在一個非常二元且可預測的宇宙裡，輸入和輸出都很簡單。但人類是這些變數的獨特組合。我們有很多獨特之處，但本質上我們的 DNA、創傷、經歷都組成了我們。所以當有人說我們活在二元宇宙時，我會說人類才是這宇宙中最量子、最隨機的存在。為什麼我要講這個？因為我認為這世界上最有力量的東西就是故事。我想分享一個關於我大兒子的故事。我有很多小孩，雖然沒有 Michael 多，Aiden 知道。最近有個父子時刻，他跟我說他在新學校過得不錯，是第三受歡迎的學生。我問他為什麼是第三，他說前兩名已經在那兩三年了，他追不上。我就跟他講了一些關於自我價值的道理，雖然不確定他有沒有聽進去。So moving into randomness a little more on that, we live in a very binary and predictable universe. We have simple inputs, outputs. Humans are really a unique composition of those variables. We have many things that are unique about us, but if you think about it, it's all composed, our DNA, all of the traumas, all the experience we've had. So if you think about it, When people say we're in a binary universe, humans, I'd say, are the more quantum of it, the more, if you think about it, the most random thing in this universe. So why am I talking about all this now? I think that there's nothing more powerful in this world than a story. So there's one that I wanted to share with you about my son, my oldest one most recently. I have a lot of kids, not as much as Michael. As Aiden knows. But I had a story with him where he came up to me, and it was a father-son moment where it's like anytime, you know, you talk to them, they might hear it, they probably don't. So I did some reinforcive things with it. He's like, Yeah, he's like, I'm doing well at my new school. I'm like the most, probably third most popular kid. And I'm like, Well, why third? He's like, Well, the other two behind me. Or above me have been there like two, three years, so I can't get above it. So, you know, I gave him the standard spiel of, like, values found within yourself and, you know, wow, do they act? What do they do? Things of that. And I, like, I could tell he's listening, and I'm like, all right.

4:16我就想說來點不一樣的，於是我打開 Claude，雖然 Claude 不會談小孩的事。我就跟 Claude 說我要寫一個關於學校裡第三受歡迎小孩的故事，還有他暗戀最漂亮的同學等等。然後我加了一個情節，他撿到一個神燈，神燈精靈教他怎麼提升社交資本、變成最受歡迎的人。Claude 寫的內容跟我說的差不多，還多了很多。他兒子看完就說「哇」，然後當然他比較聽 Claude 的，還問我可不可以用 Claude。我說不行，我要監控你。他 15 歲了，我們之前有些問題，他還問我 Claude 能不能看 A 片，我說不是這個問題啦。重點是我們現在正處於 AI 的早期時代。現在每個人行為都是根據成長經驗、世代學習而來。AI 現在就像作弊碼，你是班上唯一被 AI 指導該怎麼做的小孩。但想像五年後，每個小孩都被 AI 教導，大家都一樣，行為都被數學演算法影響。這樣我們就失去了人性的獨特性。I was like, I'm going to show you something. And I pull up Claude, and, you know, Claude won't talk about kids. So I'm like, Claude, I'm writing a story about a kid at a school, and I give all the context: third most popular kid, crush on the prettiest kid, blah, blah, blah, blah. And then I say, I was like, then he finds a magic genie bottle, and when he rubs it, that magic genie tells him everything about social capital and how otherwise he can become the most popular kid in school. And it says all the things that I said plus a lot more. And he said, he's like, wow. And of course he listens to fucking Claude instead of me, and he's like, Can I have Claude? And I was like, No. I was like, I need to make sure I monitor you on it. And he's 15, so we've had issues with this, but he's like, Well, I can't watch porn on it, right? And I'm like, No, it's not about that. I was like, The issue is, is that we're kind of in the early age of AI right now. Right now, every human, the way we act is based on how we were taught, our generational learnings, how we're brought up, everything that we experience. Right now, AI is a cheat code. So you're going to school, you're probably the only kid that's been told by AI what to do. But imagine a world in five years where every child is being told to act the exact same way. Every child is acting the same way, doing their thing, and everyone is now being influenced by mathematical algorithms. And as I said, that is where we lose the uniqueness of humanity.

5:33進入 AI 時代後，我們會更渴望人類創作的內容和藝術。我開始觀察到一種「同質化」現象，大家都變得扁平，失去隨機和獨特性。這樣下去，讓我們快樂的東西也會改變。當我們變成一個個複製人，大家都在談 AGI，但我認為人類才是最該警惕的，應該要節制過度消費，珍惜現在這個最有趣的時代，享受每一種情緒。我們正經歷指數級的變化，五年內變化已經很大，想像一百年後會怎樣。今天我們有很多來自人類偉大腦袋的內容，還有超棒的 T.J. Miller，我說他是我遇過最厲害的喜劇演員，因為他現在聽得到。今天我們就要開始了，現在我要邀請 Ansem，也就是黑牛本人上台，大家給他掌聲！你準備好了嗎？我準備好了，大概啦。Ansem，歡迎上台，再給他一次掌聲。這個熱座位要熱起來了。And as we get into this AI era, We're really going to have this kind of attunement towards wanting human-derived content, human-derived art. And so in that respect, when it came to that, I started to see something of what I referred to as a homogenization, where there's a flattening, and we lose what makes us random and unique. And as that continues, the things that otherwise make us happy, and that changes. So. Becoming that point where we're cookie cutters, we really at this point, we're talking about AGI, like that's the thing to be afraid of. I believe that humans are actually going to be the thing that ultimately really need to curb back our overconsumption and realize that this is truly the most interesting time to be alive, and this is truly the time where we should enjoy every emotion we have. We're going through an exponential change in what we did in five years. Imagine what we do in a hundred. So today what we have is we have a lot of great content made by humans from some of the really great minds, as well as the amazing T.J. Miller, who's probably the best comedian I've ever met, which I'm going to say that because he can hear me right now. And so said, today is where we go forward. With all this in mind, I would like to bring out Ansem, our first person, and the Black Bull onto the stage. Let's give him a round of applause. You ready, brother? I'm ready. I think so. I hope so. We'll see. So, Ansem, welcome to the stage. Let's give him another round of applause. It's a hot seat right now. Let's warm this up.

7:04AI、爭議與幽默開戰

7:04Ansem，歡迎上台。我保證這些都不是 AI 生成的，我是認真的。但我有用 AI 查過你，把你所有爭議、偽善、被人罵的事都丟進去，原本以為只會有幾頁，結果 PDF 有 196 頁！196 頁，Ansem！但我不會全信網路上的東西。不過，你真的被 Uber 封鎖過，作為乘客，代表有成千上萬陌生人都同意你是個混蛋。所以今天我們就是要回敬你這些。等等他也會有機會講講自己的感受。接下來我要邀請 Zero GAI 的 CEO Michael Heinrich 上台，來第一個 roast Ansem。大家給他熱烈掌聲！Jarred，怎麼了？我以為我們來這裡是要聽笑話的，現代成吉思汗，你…你真的很會生小孩，Jarred，我是德國人，全世界都知道我們很有幽默感，或是完全沒有，大家看得出來。So, Ansem, welcome to the stage. So, I mean, I said none of this was AI generated. I mean that. But I ran you through my AI, and there was—I basically said, like, find every single circumstance or situation where Ansem had controversy, hypocrisy, somebody talked shit about him, whatever else. And, you know, I expected a couple pages of results. That PDF was 196 fucking pages. 196 pages, Ansem. But I don't believe everything I read online. I don't. I don't. But, dude, you got banned from Uber. As a rider, that means that thousands of strangers agreed you're an asshole. So that's why we're here today, is to give him some of this in return. And he will have his chance to share how he feels after this. We'll see how it goes. The next person that I'd like to bring out on stage. We have CEO of Zero GAI, Michael Heinrich, who's going to be the first up to roast Ansem. Let's give him a big round of applause. Jarred, what was that? I thought we're here for some comedy. Modern day Genghis Khan. I mean, you're—you just need putting them out, man. Dude, you know, Jarred, I'm German. And we are worldwide known for our sense of humor. Or not, as you can tell. Yeah, yeah.

8:30這開場不錯，大家再給點掌聲。你們不用因為我的口音聽不懂就笑，其實你們已經做得很好了。再說一次，我是德國人，所以…我是在俯視你，真的在俯視你，開玩笑啦，Jarred。Jarred Winn 也在現場，Jarred 你到底是誰？你怎麼會在這裡？你怎麼認識 TJ 的？他是在找一個比自己還不帥的替身嗎？你還把公司取名叫 Winn.solutions，誰會這樣取名？我覺得應該叫 Losing Problems 才對，真的，我們這裡都是 Losing Problems。這笑話是 TJ 寫給我的，所以本來就不該好笑。我跟他說過，但他應該聽不懂我的口音。你們也聽不懂，所以證明了這點。Excellent. It's starting off very well. Come on, give a round of applause. You know, you don't have to laugh because it's my accent. You can't understand me. See, you're really good at it already. It's working. Again, I'm German, so I'm... Looking down at you. Like literally looking down at you. No, just kidding, just kidding. Just Jarred. That's fair. So Jarred Winn in the house. Jarred, who are you? Exactly. Like, what are you doing here? And how did you even meet TJ? Like... Was he looking for a less attractive version of himself to be a stunt double? I mean. And you named your company Winn.solutions. Like, Winn.solutions. Who does that? Like. I liked it. It's more like losing problems. Yeah, really, we've got losing problems here. Win solutions, losing problems. I mean, come on, guys. Anyways, TJ wrote that joke for me, so it wasn't supposed to be funny. And I told him that, but I don't think he could understand me because of my accent. And so, yeah. Anyways, you can't either, so case in point.

10:05TJ 還沒上台，但我也要先吐槽他。他真的很棒，我一直想做這件事。我很愛 Silicon Valley 這部劇，但 TJ 你演過這部劇不代表你要一直待在矽谷啊。TJ，我知道你現在在後台應該聽得到，但我覺得你來錯會場了，你應該去那種過氣演員的簽名會才對。我知道你聽到了，雖然你在後台，我還是很愛你。Ansem，很高興現場見到你。我習慣早到會議，但只要在推特看到你，我就已經遲到了。他們叫你迷因幣之王是有原因的。不過如果你想找份正職，ZeroG 在徵才喔。TJ is not on stage yet, but I do have to give him a riff as well. He's awesome, by the way. And I always wanted to do this. I love the show Silicon Valley, but just because you're on the show Silicon Valley, TJ, doesn't mean you have to desperately hang out in Silicon Valley. Yeah, so, TJ, I know you're backstage. I'm sure you can hear me right now, but I also think you're at the wrong conference. Shouldn't you be at the conference for, like, one of these autograph conferences for washed-up actors? I mean. I know you heard that, he's backstage. I love him though, he's great. Ansem, good to see you in person. You know, I like to show up early to meetings and conferences, but when I see you on my timeline, I'm already late. They call you the king of meme coins for a reason. So, but just an offer out there, if you ever want a real job, we are hiring at ZeroG.

11:31再來聊聊迷因幣。Ansem 看到一隻戴帽子的狗，腦中浮現的是世代財富；我看到一隻戴帽子的狗，只覺得牠就是一隻戴帽子的狗。畢竟我有正職，也在經營公司。說到狗，你那隻狗沒能上拉斯維加斯 Sphere 吧？我試過了。你知道在德國，如果你募了七十萬美元卻沒交付，他們會把你送上火車，至少我爸媽是這樣跟我說的。再來說說你的盡職調查流程，分三步：第一步，看 ticker；第二步，看 meme；第三步，看你的推特。然後就做出一個讓大家賠錢的瘋狂假設。這種盡職調查真的很厲害，結果好像不太好，是我的口音害的，大家聽不懂。Let's talk more about meme coins. So Ansem looks at a dog wearing a hat and sees generational wealth. When I see a dog wearing a hat, I see a dog wearing a hat. But then again, I have a job and I run a company. Talking more about dogs. So you never got that dog on the Las Vegas Sphere, huh? I didn't. I tried. Yeah. You know, in Germany, what they do when you raise $700,000 and you don't deliver, they put you on a train. At least that's what my parents told me, I don't know. Let's talk about your due diligence. It's got three stages. First stage, check the ticker. Second, check the meme. Third, check your Twitter. And then make some wild assumption that lost people millions of dollars. Some good due diligence process. Yeah, that didn't land so well, did it? It's my accent, for sure. Can't understand me. All right.

12:46再次自我介紹，我是 Michael Heinrich，ZeroG 的 CEO，我們是 Web3 領域最早做 AI 的公司之一，在大家都還沒轉型 AI 之前。所以未來你被 AI 取代時，記得要感謝 Zero G。對了，Ansem，我們有發 token，叫 Zero G，FDV 三億，TGE 時七十億，現在三毛錢，流通量約 60%，市值一億八千萬，已經服務了四百億次推理。我們的競爭對手有 Bittensor、Near、Venice AI，他們都很爛。如果你幫我們拉盤，我會付你跟我們公司名字一樣多的錢：zero G。這樣有帥嗎？我不知道啦，我是白人德國人，我懂什麼？但說真的，Ansem 你很聰明，判斷很準，我們真的願意付你錢來幫我們拉盤。謝謝大家，Token2049 見，晚安！Again, my name is Michael Heinrich. I'm the CEO of 0G, and we're one of the first to do AI in the Web3 space. Before everybody pivoted into AI. So when you're getting replaced, you can thank Zero G. All right. And by the way, Ansem, we got a token. It's called Zero G, and 300 million FDV. It was 7 billion at TGE, 30 cents current price. Circulating supply is approximately 60%, so only 180 million market cap, 400 billion inference tokens served. Our competitors are Bittensor, Near, Venice AI. They're all trash. They all suck. If you pump our token, I'll pay you the same amount from the name of our company: zero G. Did I sound cool? I have no idea. I'm a white German. The hell do I know? No, but seriously, Ansem, you're brilliant. You make amazing calls. And we'll pay you to pump the token. Thank you, Token. Good night. Glad to be here.

14:03T.J. Miller 登場

14:03太棒了，Michael 第一次嘗試喜劇，差點就真的好笑了，謝謝 Jarred。大家再給他掌聲，真的很棒。雖然 Zero G 那個笑話和手勢有點不太適合。接下來大家都在等的人要上場了，大家都知道他是誰，T.J. Miller 根本不用介紹，但我還是要介紹一下。他是 Silicon Valley 的主角 Erlich Bachman，也是 Deadpool 的演員，還有很多作品。我們非常興奮他來到現場。大家歡呼一下，歡迎 T.J. Miller！做得好，兄弟。嗨，大家好。大家給 Jarred 我們的主持人一個大掌聲，他還把啤酒留在台上，再給 Michael 一個掌聲。Fantastic. Wow. For a first stab at comedy, Michael, that was almost funny. Thanks, Jarred. Let's give him another round of applause. That was fantastic. Wow. Although the zero G joke and that hand gesture was wildly inappropriate. All right, guys, everyone we're waiting for here. The next person we have coming up, we know who he is. T.J. Miller doesn't need an introduction, but let me give it. Star of the show Silicon Valley, Erlich Bachman, also star of Deadpool. The list goes on and on. We're so excited to have him out here. Let's get loud and bring out T.J. Miller, everybody. Great job, man. Hi. Hi, guys. Can you give a huge round of applause for Jarred, our host who left a beer on here, and one for Michael.

15:00開場與嘉賓互動

15:00那是他第一次嘗試做任何形式的單口喜劇，而且他是德國人，所以對他來說真的很難。大家再給他一個熱烈的掌聲吧。想想那有多困難。在這種會議上，什麼都不好笑。That was his first time ever doing any kind of stand-up, and he's German, so it was very difficult for him. So give him another huge round of applause, you guys. Think how hard that was. Nothing at these conferences is funny.

15:15Jarred，我想大家都同意你是一個很棒的主持人，但我們其實一開始也聽不太懂你在說什麼。這完全影響了整個狀況。來跟前排的 VIP 們打聲招呼吧。Antler 的 Magnus，名字很適合挪威人，在亞洲真的很有氣勢。And Jarred, I think we can all agree you're a great host, and we didn't really know what you're talking about at the top. And that affects the situation wholly. Let's say hello to all of our VIPs in the front row. Nice, Magnus from Antler. Nice name for it, a Norwegian. That's very intimidating in Asia.

15:36我其實不太認識這些人。那是 Doge S 嗎？這點子真不錯。Doge 以前沒什麼用，現在...還是沒什麼用，但點子不錯。這邊還有誰？你們是誰？喔，Zero G 啊。我根本不該提這個。不過現在你們可以在 CEO 背後講很多話，這才有趣。And let's see, I don't know any of these people. Oh, is that Dojo S? What a great idea. Doge used to be useless, and now... It's still useless. It's just, what a great idea. Who do we have here? Who are you guys? Oh, really? Zero G. I shouldn't have even brought it up. But now you have a lot of things to say behind your CEO's back, so that's really fun about it.

16:07開始吐槽與幽默暖場

16:07現在我要開始講一些笑話。謝謝大家來參加。我們去年在韓國也辦過這種 roast。我們那時候吐槽了一個中國罪犯 Justin Sun。欸，我們不能講實話嗎？新加坡。我又沒說新加坡政府壞話，只要不是中國應該都還好。Now I'm going to make some jokes. Thank you guys for coming. We did this roast in Korea last year. We roasted a Chinese criminal, Justin Sun. And are we not allowed to tell the truth? Singapore. I didn't say anything bad about the Singaporean government, so I think as long as we're not China.

16:28我們很喜歡這樣，能帶點幽默真的很有趣。整個情境就是這樣。我們有要求講台，但贊助商好像沒錢給我們。所以我只能站在這張桌子前，真是不可思議。他們花在這上的錢比這個還多，真棒。But so we love it. It's really fun to kind of bring some humor. Whole situation. We asked for a podium, but our sponsors didn't have enough money, I guess. So I have a fucking table that I'm supposed to stand in front of. It's unbelievable. They spent more money on that than on this. It's great.

16:49我也喜歡在這種會議上說髒話，因為你很少會聽到。你們不喜歡嗎？去你的。現在我要開始 roast 這些人，我們應該都是朋友吧，也許 roast 完就不是了。先從 Jarred 開始。Jarred，你到底是誰？你為什麼會在這裡？你是做什麼的？我們會認識是因為我覺得，每次看到你就像照鏡子一樣。I also like to say fuck at these conferences because you don't hear it very often. You didn't like that? Fuck you. So now I'm going to roast these guys, and we're all friends, I think. Maybe not after, but we'll start with Jarred. Jarred, again, who are you? Why are you here? What do you do? We met because I think you look— When I look at you, it's like looking in a mirror, kind of.

17:24主持人與嘉賓互虧

17:24像是照到一面比較失敗、比較不帥、總是戴黑帽的鏡子。那是他遮禿頭的招牌造型，所以我有點慌了。Jarred，你就像是沒搞定人生的我。你就像是打了 Ozempic 的我。這是真的，各位，有時候有人會把 Jarred 錯認成我，還跟他合照。想像一下他們發現真相時的失望。A less successful, less attractive mirror that always wears a black hat. That's his, like, signature way of covering his baldness. So I got flustered. Jarred, you look like me if I couldn't get it together. You look like me if I went on Ozempic. People, this is true, you guys. People sometimes stop Jarred and ask him for a picture thinking that he's me. This is true. And then he'll take it. He'll take the picture with them. Imagine the disappointment.

18:05那就像有人以為 Ansem 是 Warren Buffett，結果跟他合照一樣。長得真的很像。Buffett 六十年都判斷正確，Ansem 只對過一次，還天天講不停。一直講 Solana，煩死了。好啦，現在正式進入主題，大家給自己掌聲吧。你們至少都有免費酒喝。Zero-G 的 Michael，大家可能不認識他，他的公司叫 Zero-G，應該是 Zero Gravity 的意思，因為他做的東西都沒漲過，包括他那根小香腸，我是說他下面。I mean, that'd be like taking a picture with Ansem because they thought he was Warren Buffett. Resemblance is striking. Buffett's been right for 60 years. Ansem has been right once, and he mentions it every day. Fucking won't shut up about Solana. There we go. Now we're kind of into it. Give yourselves a round of applause, guys. You all had free alcohol, I mean, at the very least. Michael, CEO of Zero-G. In case you don't know Michael, and you don't, his company is Zero-G, which stands for zero gravity, I think. And that makes sense because nothing he's done goes up. Including that little bratwurst over there. I'm talking about his dick.

18:55我們其實有想過要顧及種族敏感度。我覺得這很重要，所以很高興有德國人參加，因為德國人不會歧視別人，他們只會想消滅你們。好啦，我真的有這種感覺。我覺得我會有大笑聲，也會有「呃」的反應。沒關係啦，反正我有正職工作。So we wanted to be, we did want to be sensitive about the panel, about the roast racially. I thought that was really, really important, and so I was happy to have a German on the panel because they are not racist. They don't look down on people. They just try and eliminate them. Okay. I really feel this. I feel like you guys, I'm going to get big laughs, and then I'm going to get, ugh. Which, by the way, fine with me. I have a day job.

19:27Michael 與 Ansem 的吐槽

19:27我喜歡 Ansem。Michael，你又不是靠發推特賺錢，這根本不是你的工作。Michael，這段你們自己寫的喔，我要讓大家知道。Michael 很愛冥想。我想問你，當你的代幣跌了 80% 時，你冥想了多久？你有沒有內觀一下要裁掉多少人？大家都裝沒事，這種事大家都遇過啦。I like handsome. Michael, you don't get paid to tweet. It's not your fucking job. So, Michael, this is, this is—you guys wrote this. I want you guys to know that. Michael is really into meditation. And I have to ask, how long did you meditate when your token dropped 80%? Were you able to look within and see how many people you had to fire? Wow. Fine. Let's all pretend like that hasn't happened to everyone in this room.

20:00你們可以難過沒關係，記得 Bitcoin 還在八十幾美元，放輕鬆點，拜託。Ansem，輪到你了，大家想聽 Ansem 的笑話嗎？來點熱情！這才是 KBW 該有的氣氛。Ansem，誰不認識他？其實可能很多人不認識啦。我們找不到更有名的人了，Ansem。Black Bull，真榮幸。Yeah, you guys can be sad. Remember, Bitcoin is in the fucking 80s. Relax. Jesus Christ. Ansem, let's get to Ansem, okay? You guys want to hear some jokes about Ansem? Come on, guys, get behind it! There we go. That's the energy we want. That's the energy we expect from KBW. So, Ansem. I mean, who doesn't know him? And maybe a lot of people. We couldn't get anyone more famous, but Ansem. The Black Bull, what a pleasure.

20:35大家應該都同意你賠過錢。如果你有追蹤 Ansem 的 X，應該會擔心他的心理健康。他一直在說要退出，這是真的。你已經退出好幾次了。你退場的次數多到每次你說「我全賣了，我完全出清」，我就會多買一點 Black Bull。當然沒買很多啦，你還是持有 65%，這一點都不奇怪。你跟 Justin Sun 是朋友嗎？TRON，別管我。我跟 CCP 很熟啦。I think everyone can agree here that you have lost that money. If you follow Ansem on Twitter, then you are concerned about his mental health. He's constantly quitting. That is true. You've quit multiple times. You've been out of the game so many times that when you say, I've sold everything I had, I'm completely out, I buy more Black Bull. Obviously not that much. You hold 65%. That's not weird at all. Are you friends with Justin Sun? A little bit. Tron. Don't worry about me. I'm down with the CCP.

21:08加密圈經典梗與自嘲

21:08Ansem，我信任你。我還記得 2022 年你大讚 Luna、Three Arrows Capital 和 Alameda。這些你全都看對了，對吧？其實大家都遇到過這種小挫折。對我來說還不錯，因為我賺了很多錢，還花了 65 萬美元在拉斯維加斯 Sphere 上放一隻狗。對，我花了 65 萬美元，總共 70 萬，還沒拿回來。Ansem, I trust you. I remember back in 2022 when you praised Luna. Three Arrows Capital and Alameda. Well, you got all of those right, didn't you? Got a bit of a road bump, a bump in the road for all of us, wasn't it? Fucking. No, it went well for me because I sort of— I made so much money, I spent $650,000 to get a dog on the Sphere in Las Vegas. That's right, I put in $650,000 of the $700,000, and I haven't gotten it back.

21:48但 Ansem，這很重要，大家都期待你像預言家一樣，但你也不是每次都猜對。你唯一每次都對的，就是你寫「我不是財務顧問」。這些都不是投資或財務建議，我也沒考過什麼 series 1、2、3、X、Y、Z 證照。我們都覺得你說你有上過大學很可疑。But Ansem, and this is important, guys, everybody expects him to be some sort of fortune teller, but he doesn't always get it right. The only thing that you've ever gotten right is when you write, I am not a financial advisor. None of this is investment nor financial advice, and I have not taken any of those series 1, 2, 3, X, Y, Z tests. We know that. All of us think it's dubious that you say you went to college.

22:18Ansem 的重大預測三中三錯。所以我覺得 Black Bull 這綽號不如叫 Coin Flip，這大概就是大家跟著你亂買亂賣的結果。Ansem，你在 X 上花的時間多到我都不想當你女友。你們有想過當 Ansem 女友是什麼感覺嗎？高潮前還要回頭看他是不是在看 K 線。他會說：寶貝，沒有啦，我在 bunking，快要 moon 了。我只要再讓一些人賠錢就能高潮，這是唯一的方式。On his major calls, Ansem got three right, three wrong. Okay, so I think a better nickname than Black Bull is Coin Flip, which is approximately what most people have made following your bad trades. Ansem, you're on Twitter so much I would hate to be your girlfriend. Do you guys ever think about that? What it would be like to be Ansem's girlfriend? Right before she gets an orgasm, she's like, Are you back there checking the charts? And he's like, Baby, no, baby, I'm here bunking, and I'm about to moon. I just have to lose some people a lot of money. That's the only way you can come.

22:59拳擊賽與 Kingdom Hearts 梗

22:59來聊聊拳擊賽吧，你們有看嗎？Ansem 對 BitBoy。你們的反應讓我覺得這段內容會很順利。你說要 BitBoy 來？他現在在家裡被軟禁啦，白癡。你是誰啊？你又不是 VIP，幹嘛跟我講話？你應該去找有錢贊助的公司合作，不要再跟那傢伙手牽手了。你們只會發 telegram，這些傢伙。Let's talk about the boxing match, shall we? Did you guys see it? Ansem versus BitBoy. That response makes me feel like this material is going to go great. So what's that? You need BitBoy on the panel? He's on fucking house arrest, you idiot. What the fuck is this guy? Why are you talking to me? You're not in the VIP section. Why don't you get with a company that can afford a sponsorship instead of holding hands with that guy over there? Instead of holding hands with that guy over there, you guys just did telegrams, these arseholes.

23:44Ansem，有人說你敢跟 BitBoy 打很勇敢，其實不是。一看到他出場我就替他難過。你們最近有看過他嗎？你看看你自己，你又高又帥又壯。你現在就靠著椅背，對，沒錯。但比賽開始後，我反而越來越替你擔心。BitBoy 只有你一半大，還要吸氧氣，我是認真的。他真的要吸氧，我奶奶也要吸氧。你們兩個其實都沒打到什麼拳，根本像在抱來抱去。I gotta say, Ansem, some people said it was brave of you to fight BitBoy. They were wrong. As soon as I saw him come out, though, I felt bad for him. I mean, did you see him? Have you guys seen him lately? And you, look at you. Look at you. As soon as I... You're tall, handsome, you're fit. Look at him. Look what he's doing right now. You just kind of leaned back. Yeah, exactly. But when the fight started, I started feeling bad for you more and more and more. BitBoy is half his size. The guy's on oxygen. I don't know if you saw that. I'm serious. He had to take oxygen, didn't he? Yeah, he did. My grandmother's on oxygen. Neither of you landed really any punches. It was more like hugging than hitting.

24:43你現在插嘴幹嘛，白癡。這是我模仿 Ansem 打 BitBoy 的樣子。他還真的有訓練過，賽前是拳擊手。你打的時候就像這樣。我差點從舞台上摔下去。沒講台，卻有三四層階梯，不知道幹嘛。最後比賽結果是五五波，平手。我全壓你，因為我相信你，還把剛在狗狗幣項目賠掉的 65 萬美元又拿來賭你。因為我覺得你不可能輸給 BitBoy，他看起來像沒睡的殭屍剛看到鬼。沒人笑，難怪他沒來會議。You know what chime in now, idiot. This is my impression. I did want to show this to you. This isn't really for you guys. This is my impression of Anson fighting BitBoy, okay? Which he trained. That was the whole thing. He was a boxer before that fight. He's like a real boxer, I guess. And then when you're fighting, this is my impression of you. That's funny, I almost fell off that fucking stage. No podium, but we've got three or four levels to this stage. I don't know why. And then there was the result of— The match, it was 50-50. It was a draw. So I went all in on you because I believe in you. I do, and wagered $650,000 I had recently lost on a dog project. Cause I thought there was no fucking way you were gonna lose to BitBoy, who looks— I'm gonna deliver this to this guy. Is power. I thought there was no fucking way he was gonna lose to BitBoy, who looks like a sleep-deprived zombie just saw something terrifying. See, that didn't really get a laugh. That's why he's not at the fucking conference.

26:21自嘲與 Kingdom Hearts 彩蛋

26:21謝謝大家。總之，我因為 Ansem 沒贏，賠了一堆錢。你也沒把狗放上 Sphere。Kingdom Hearts。你們知道 Ansem 這名字來自遊戲嗎？Kingdom Hearts。現在你們知道了。有一個人知道，太好了，我的哥們。Ansem，你的名字真的來自 Kingdom Hearts，這都是真的。我自己其實有在 Kingdom Hearts 3 裡面配音，演 Big Hero 6 的 Fred。所以我真的在你偷名字的那個遊戲裡。如果你想改名叫 Fred，我可以幫你，條件是給我 65% 的 Black。Thank you. Thank you. So, to sum it up, I lost a lot of fucking money because Ansem couldn't get it done. And you couldn't get the fucking dog on the sphere. Kingdom Hearts. You know, do you guys know this, that Ansem is from the video game. That name is from the video game Kingdom Hearts. Did you guys know that? Well, now you do. Yes. One guy knows it. Fantastic. My guy. Yeah, that is your guy. Ansem, you took your name from Kingdom Hearts. It's all true. You know, I was in Kingdom Hearts 3. Did you know that? As Fred from Big Hero 6. So I'm actually in the game you stole your name from. So if you want to change your name to Fred, I'm happy to make that happen for 65% of the black.

27:17好啦，我要停止虧他了，剩下時間不多。我想說聲謝謝，謝謝你這幾年給我的各種建議。所以我也要給你一個建議：長大一點，別再玩電動了。或者至少玩 Call of Duty 這種比較 man 的遊戲。你自稱 Black Bull，卻在玩有唐老鴨和我的奇幻 RPG？兄弟，那遊戲真的不錯啦，隨便你們怎麼想。你們可以下注 RPG。You know what? I'm going to stop making fun of him. I only have a little more time here. I'm going to stop for a second, and I want to say thank you. Thank you for all the tips you've given me over the years. And so here's a tip for you. I want to give back. Here's a tip for you. Grow the fuck up and stop playing video games. Or at least play like Call of Duty or some, like, a man. Something more masculine, bull-like, you know? You call yourself Black Bull, but you play a fantasy RPG game starring Donald Duck and me? Bro, it's a good game. Yeah, whatever you say. You guys can bet on it. RPB.

28:02AI 梗與結尾

28:02最後，當 AI 取代你時，大家都怕 AI 會搶飯碗。Jarred 剛剛有講到，雖然我根本聽不懂他在說什麼。不幸的是，我聽說 Zero G 這個 AI OG 要取代你了。我聽說它發推更少，準確率更高，也不會一直講 Solana。很抱歉告訴你，它連拳擊都比你強。很多人問我，你是不是請 AI 幫你寫笑話？沒有啦，如果對方更難吐槽我才會這樣。但這些梗根本自己會寫，尤其是那隻狗沒上 Sphere！把我那 65 萬美元還來！謝謝大家，哇，我笑到臉都痛了，太棒了。And then finally, when AI replaces you, everyone is worried that AI will replace them. Jarred touched on that, right? I think. I didn't know what the fuck he was talking about. And unfortunately, I've heard that Zero G. Which is the OG at developing AI is going to replace you. I hear it tweets less, has a higher percentage of good calls, doesn't talk about Solana all the fucking time. And I hate to be the one to break it to you, but it's definitely better at boxing. Absolutely. A lot of people have been asking, and will ask, did you have AI write your jokes for you? No, I didn't. If it was a person who was harder to roast, then yeah, I might have done that. But this shit writes itself, especially about the dog. Not getting on the sphere! Give me my six hundred fucking fifty thousand dollars back! Thanks, guys. Wow. Wow. Oh man, my cheeks after that one. That was great.

29:26對啊，大家都記得。你剛剛 moon 了嗎？那段我最喜歡。我真的很喜歡那個高潮 moon 的梗。好啦，接下來還有兩個環節。首先，Ansem，Black Bull，終於有機會發表感言。他要回應剛剛被 roast 的內容。之後會有他跟 TJ 的爐邊對談，肯定很精彩。Ansem，你準備好了嗎？你有話要說嗎？我想我剛剛被你們虧完有點靈感，應該可以。那就來看看你怎麼發揮吧，加油。Yeah, yeah, yeah. Wow. Y'all remember it. Did you just moon? That one was my favorite. I really liked that mooning at climax, right? All right, so we have two more things coming up for you. Firstly, Ansem, the Black Bull. Gets his chance to finally speak his voice. What is it that he wants to say in return to all of the roasting that he just received? After that, we're gonna have a nice little fireside between him and TJ, and it's gonna be good. So, Handsome, you ready? You have some things to say? I think. Y'all just gave me some ammo, so I think I'm ready. Well, let's see what you do, man. You do good, man.

30:09Ansem 反擊開場

30:09大家好，最近好嗎？剛剛那段好笑嗎？你們覺得幾分？八分？八分算高了吧。我覺得他們找三個白人來 roast 我，這根本是加密會議最老梗的套路。不過說真的，這些就是我在加密會議常遇到的典型角色。中間那位一定會推銷我一堆代幣，「拜託買我的幣，拜託拜託」。然後這位會把我認成加密圈唯一另一個黑人 Arthur Hayes，我們其實長得沒那麼像。然後我的好兄弟 TJ Miller，加密會議總是會有些莫名其妙的搞笑人物，你根本不知道他為什麼會出現，但他真的很有趣。所以我覺得 TJ 就是這樣。Jarred，我要先從你開始，因為你真的太好虧了。What's good, guys? How we doing? Was that funny or no? Funny? Give it out of 10, out of 10, how funny was it? Eight? Eight's kind of high. I don't know. Eight's kind of high. I feel like they put me up here with three white guys to roast me. It's like the most stereotypical thing you can do at a crypto conference. So it's like, it's funny though, because these are actually the archetypes that I run into at crypto conferences. You got the guy in the middle shilling me a token, of course. Like, bro, buy my token, buy my token, please buy my token. That's him. Then you have this guy, who, like, confuses me with the only other black guy in crypto, Arthur Hayes. I mean, we don't look that similar. And then... My guy, TJ Miller. There's always, like, really funny people at crypto conferences just randomly walking around. You have no idea why they're there, but they're there, and they're really hilarious. So I think that that's TJ. Yeah, I thought that was funny. And Jarred. I'm gonna start with you because you're, I feel like you're the easiest target, to be honest.

31:24謝謝你。我知道，你真的很有趣，長得也很有趣。那頂帽子，我已經見你四次了，每次都戴同一頂。我不知道那帽子到底能不能拿下來，還是有多緊，但你看起來就像 2003 年的 50 Cent。真的很扯。你就像 50 Cent 加上魔戒裡的 Gimli。我喜歡這個梗，大家有笑就好。Michael，加密圈有很多成功創辦人，但大多數都是亞洲人或猶太人。你是德國人，完全不符合這個刻板印象。Thank you. I know. You're just funny. Funny looker. The hat. I've seen you four times now. Every time I see you, you're wearing the same hat. I don't know if it comes off or how tight it is, but you look like 50 Cent in like 2003. It's kind of crazy. You're like 50 Cent mixed with like Gimli from Lord of the Rings. I like it. I got some laughs. Cool. Michael, there are a ton of successful founders in crypto, but the majority of them are Asian and Jewish. You're German. You're German. You don't fit the stereotype.

32:09現場吐槽與自嘲

32:09你完全不像刻板印象那樣。然後你又在新加坡。我覺得你的 token 可能也反映了這一點。你知道德國魏瑪共和國的紙馬克嗎？它貶值的速度都比，Zero G 帽子。現在感覺好點了嗎？我不確定你的穿搭是不是適合這種加密會議。你全身白還露腳趾，看起來像是要去 Michael Rubin 的白色派對。我不知道你想幹嘛，但真的很舒服。你看起來很自在，真的。TJ，我的哥們。You don't fit the stereotype. Then you're in Singapore. You know, I think your token might be kind of reflective of this fact. You know, Germany and the Weimar Republic, the paper mark, I think, went down slower than— Zero G hats. Feel better now? I'm not sure if your fit is, like, for the crypto conference. You got your toes out in all white. You look like you're going to Michael Rubin's white party. I don't know what you're trying to do. Very comfortable. You do look cozy, though. TJ, my guy.

32:50我剛剛其實一直在學你講話的方式，所以我現在也試著這麼做。你從 Silicon Valley 這種頂級影集，到 Big Hero 6 這部超好笑的電影，然後現在居然來到加密貨幣會議。怎麼會這樣？你是搭地鐵來的嗎？贊助商給你多少錢啊？給很多嗎？我喜歡 VIP 區，真的很不錯。I've been trying to take, like, notes from you while you were doing your delivery, so I'm trying to do what you were doing. But you went from Silicon Valley, great show, like top of the top, and then you went to Big Hero 6, funny, funny movie. But now you're at a crypto conference. How? How did you get here? Subway. Like how much of the sponsors giving you, bro? They give you a lot. I like the VIP. I really like the VIP sections. I like that. That's cool.

33:26現場的大家還好嗎？我覺得，我蠻喜歡你們的。你們很酷。很多人都說，Ansem 的 call 爛透了，你讓大家賠了好多錢。那我到底幫你們賺了多少？還可以嗎？只是想確認一下。我沒什麼要多說的了，大概就這樣。Um, crowd, how are you guys doing? Good? I feel like—I fuck with you guys. You guys are cool. A lot of my rows were like, Damn, Ansem's calls are terrible. You lost people so much money. Like, how much money have I made you guys? Decent amount? Yeah? Just wanted to check. I don't got much more, guys. I think that's it, so.

33:58第二屆 Roast 與輕鬆對談

33:58太棒了。大家來舉杯一下。這是我們第二屆紀念性 roast。接下來會有 Ansem 和 TJ 的 fireside 對談，還有一些有趣的內容。為第二屆 roast 乾杯，你們兩位還有大家都表現得很棒。乾杯，謝謝大家來參加。That's great. All right, everybody, let's do a quick cheers here. This is to our second commemorative roast. We're gonna do a quick fireside between Ansem and TJ, and we're gonna have some fun stuff coming up during that. To the second roast, you guys both, everyone did excellent. Cheers. Cheers, cheers, cheers. Cheers to you guys. Thank you so much for coming.

34:21好，現在我想和 Ansem 來個簡短對談。會比較認真一點，不那麼搞笑。大家可以嗎？給點掌聲。是嗎？是的。現場有人會移動東西，請見諒。首先我想問你，第一次被 roast 是什麼感覺？你以前沒做過這種事吧？好玩嗎？All right. So yeah, I thought I would do a quick conversation with Ansem. A little less comedic, a little more real. Are you guys up for that? Round of applause. Yes? Yes. And we're just going to have people kind of moving things around, you know, kind of rolls away. Perfect. So what I wanted to ask you first off is, what was it like doing a roast? What was it like being up there? Because you've never done anything like that. Was it fun?

34:55蠻好玩的，大家給點掌聲，這真的很狂。你們有多少人願意突然在加密貨幣會議上直接上台講脫口秀？這可能是我遇過最難帶的觀眾了。我也要吐槽你們一下。It was fun. I mean, give a round of applause. That's insane. I mean, how many of you would be willing to go up and try and just basically do stand-up out of the blue at a crypto conference with probably the worst audience I've ever been in front of? I'm gonna roast you guys a little bit too.

35:14迷因幣名人感受與社群互動

35:14我想問你，身為那個人是什麼感覺？可能有人會爭論，但你就是迷因幣圈的那個人。這種名人感覺怎麼樣？說實話，其實蠻奇怪的。這從來不是計畫好的事。我本來也沒想要因為什麼 X、Y、Z 變得超紅。就只是很自然地發生了。我分享我的交易，然後帳號就爆紅了。但能和大家面對面互動真的很酷，尤其是遇到那些跟隨我很多年、跟單賺錢的人。當然也遇過跟單賠錢的，這總是蠻有趣的。不過能和同業見面真的很棒，畢竟我們都在這產業很久了。我覺得加密圈本來就很線上，所以每次來這種會議，大家都想合照，感覺真的很酷。And so what I wanted to ask you about was, you know, how do you feel about being the guy? Right, and people would argue about this maybe, but you are the guy in the meme coin world. What does that celebrity feel like? It's kind of weird, to be honest. It was never a planned thing. I didn't never want to be, like, super popular for X, Y, and Z. It kind of just happened naturally. I was sharing my trades and my account blew up while I was doing that. But it's been really cool. Like to interact with people in person, when I get to meet people that have followed me for years, tailed some of my trades and made money. I've also interacted with some people that have lost money on my trades, which is always funny. But no, it's cool to meet people in person, especially when, like, we've been in the same industry for a really long time. I feel like crypto is a community that's very online, and so, like. When I go to these conferences, people want to take pictures and stuff. It is pretty cool.

36:08你剛剛在後台有跟我聊過，為什麼你明明賺這麼多、也賠這麼多，還要來這麼多會議？你給的答案跟我想的不一樣。其實我覺得，第一，能見到同領域的交易員很酷，因為加密社群真的很線上。還有就是，能和人面對面交流很重要。大家來這些會議是為了學習，比如我之前參加 Market Bubble Live，昨天也上了迷因幣的 panel。很多人來這種會議是想拿 alpha、學市場、學怎麼交易、怎麼應對。對於不是 24 小時泡在幣圈的人來說，這真的很難。所以這些會議就是大家集中吸收資訊的地方。我覺得我有知識可以分享、可以幫助別人，這很棒。And you said we were backstage and I was talking to you about, you know, why do you go to these conferences if you're making the money that you're making and losing the money that you're losing? But in general, why do you— because you go to a lot of conferences, and you sort of, your answer was different than I expected, but... Yeah, I mean, I think it's like, it's cool, one, to be able to meet people and other traders and stuff that are in the same area when these conferences happen, because as I said, crypto community is very online. But also I feel like it's good to hear, to be able to speak to people like face to face. So people will come to these conferences to learn, like I did the Market Bubble Live earlier, I did the Meme Coin panel yesterday. And a lot of people are coming to conferences like these because they're trying to get alpha and trying to learn about markets and, like, what trades they should be taking and what they should be doing and how to navigate things. And I think it's really difficult if you're not in the weeds with crypto 24/7, like a lot of us are, if you're kind of, like, external to crypto. So these conferences are kind of like one way where people come and digest a lot of information. I feel like I have knowledge to share and to help people. That's great.

37:11交易失誤與心理調適

37:11我想問你這個，當你喊單，然後真的成功的時候大家都知道。但如果失敗、完全炸掉，你什麼感覺？會想直接下線嗎？還是想躲起來？一開始確實會這樣，大家一窩蜂來罵你失誤、看錯，剛開始真的會放在心上。不過，不好意思打斷一下，可以把那個嬰兒帶近一點嗎？我們還聽不夠清楚。謝謝你帶嬰兒來加密會議，那是創辦人嗎？天啊。好，繼續說。I did want to ask you this. When you make a call, because I'm sure we all know what it's like when you make a call and it's like, you know, it works. When you do that and it does not work and it totally bombs, how does that feel? Do you want to just get offline? Do you want to hide? What do you feel like? I feel like at the beginning it was kind of like that. Like when people are dogpiling on you for missing a trade or being wrong, you do kind of take that to heart at the beginning. But like— I'm so sorry to interrupt. Can you bring that baby closer? Because we can't fucking hear it well enough. Thank you for bringing a baby to a fucking crypto— What is, is that a founder back there? Good God. All right, sorry. Go ahead, go ahead.

37:57一開始真的蠻震撼的，但久了就習慣了。大家要知道，我喊單失敗自己也會賠錢，不是說我沒下自己的錢。我很透明，賺賠都會講。你不會看到我刪推文或假裝沒做過什麼。我覺得這也讓我在幣圈有比較真誠的形象，很多人還是會相信我說的話。Yeah, like when it first started happening, it was kind of like jarring. But like after a while, you get used to it. And I think what people realize is like when I make a call and I lose and I'm wrong, I'm also losing money. Like it's not like my money's not behind the trade. And I think people do. Really appreciate that I'm transparent on what I'm losing money on and what I'm making money on. Like, you're never gonna see me delete tweets about something that I called or, like, say I didn't do X, Y, and Z. So I think that, like, adds to the, like, genuine, like, persona that I have in crypto, like, why a lot of people do still follow me and take what I say to heart.

38:34全職交易的壓力與自我調整

38:34我還想問你，因為我們第一次見面時我就問過這個問題。你做這行，等於一直盯著市場。你真的很執著地一直看盤。有人說你只挑幾個標的，但我猜你什麼都看吧？這樣會不會變成你自己設下的牢籠？因為市場 24 小時，你會不會覺得如果沒醒著看圖就會錯過重要資訊？你會這樣嗎？我真的有陷入這種心態，尤其 2020、2021 年超嚴重，幾乎沒下線過。這真的像個陷阱，尤其是迷因幣很吃注意力。我越講，越多人看到，越容易病毒式傳播，影響就很大。所以你必須一直鎖定、一直講。真的很難抽離。我也常建議交易員一定要有交易以外的生活，否則遲早會出事。就算你 24 小時都在賺錢，如果沒辦法關掉那個開關，最後還是會賠回去。市場有時候該積極交易，有時候該休息。學會這點對我很重要，但我確實常被困住。And then I do have to ask you, because we talked the first time we met, I asked this question, but to do what you do, you are always looking at the market. Yeah. You are just obsessively looking. And when I was talking to somebody else about it, somebody said, Well, he picks a couple things. You're looking at everything, I assume. Yeah. Has that become kind of a prison? Of your own sort of devising, do you feel like, because it's 24 hours a day, do you feel like sometimes, like, if I am not awake looking at these charts, I am going to miss the information I need? Like, do you? Definitely. I've definitely gotten stuck in that mindset for a while. Like 2020 and 2021, it was really, really bad. Like I was never logging off at all. It is kind of like a trap, especially when you have— Something that you're talking about, especially with the memes. So meme coins, as you know, they're driven a lot by attention. And so it's like, the more I'm talking about something, the more people are seeing it, the more viral it goes, which, like, impacts stuff a lot. Yeah. So, like, with stuff like that, it's like obviously you got to be locked in and always talking about it. But I think, yeah, it's hard to unplug. And one of the things that I do give advice to traders with is, like, you have to have— A life outside of trading, because if you don't have that life outside of trading, you're gonna fuck up eventually. Like, even if you're locked in 24/7, you're making a lot of money, if you don't have the ability to turn that switch off, you're gonna lose a lot of it. Because there are periods in the market where you should be trading a lot, and there are periods in the market where you should not be trading a lot. And so, like, learning that was, like, a big lesson for me. But I definitely get trapped in the—

40:11你最近真的有抽離一陣子吧？你休息了一年，怎麼做到的？為什麼？2025 年我真的抽離很多。我在 hype、Trump 上賺到錢，然後把很多部位都平掉。2022 年我賺了很多，也幾乎賣在高點，除了 JUUL、DFK。可是我還是繼續交易，結果 2022 年又賠回去不少，因為我在不該那麼積極的市場還是一直交易。所以我後來想說，既然已經賺夠了，就該收手。我 2025 年真的有從積極交易和線上活動抽離，對心理和資產都很有幫助。能抽離真的很重要。當交易員的好處就是可以自己決定工時，尤其做得好時要懂得善用這點。你也花時間陪家人對吧？對。And you did that recently. You unplugged for like a year, right? How did you do that and why? Yeah, 2025, I unplugged a lot. So I made money on hype, I made money on Trump, and I closed a lot of positions afterwards. And what I realized from like 2022, when I made a lot of money, sold pretty close to the top, except for JUUL, DFK. I kept trading, and like I ended up giving a lot of money back in 2022 because I, like, I just was trading in a market that I shouldn't have been as active in. And so I was like, okay, I hit a lot. I just did really well. I'm on track and I have some good profit. I'm gonna take a step back. And I took a step back in 2025, like from actively trading as much and just like from being so active online. It was definitely very beneficial for me, like mentally and also for my portfolio. It's good to be able to unplug. The good thing about being a trader is you make your own hours. It's like you can trade when you want to, especially if you're doing well. You got to use that to your advantage. And then you spent some time with family, yeah? Yeah.

41:14真誠分享與社群回饋

41:14最後想問，既然大家都在現場，這是真的發生的。現場沒什麼酸民，除了那位。你有沒有什麼一直想對那些攻擊你或感謝你的人說的話？其實很少有機會能這樣直接說：你們要知道，我做這些不只是為了自己，也是為了你們。被罵真的會難過，我很脆弱啊，我很高、很棒，但我還是會難過，會哭。然後我看看自己在 Bonk 上賺多少，就去睡覺了。你有這種想法嗎？And so I think lastly, because we're here in real life, this is actually happening. None of you are trolls except for that guy. Is there anything you sort of always kind of want to say when people are kind of going after you for this or saying thank you to that? Like, you know what I mean? Kind of like, you know, it's— I think it's very rare that people get the opportunity to say, Hey, you know, you guys should know that I do this because it's, you know, for me, but it's also for you. You know, it hurts my feelings when people say bad things about me. I'm a very vulnerable guy. I'm tall. I have great, you know. Yeah, but I get sad, you know. I cry. I cry. And then I look at what I made on Bonk, and then, you know, I go to sleep. Anything like that.

42:03對我來說，2017 年剛進幣圈時我什麼都不懂，剛從 Georgia Tech 畢業，在 Capital One 當軟體工程師。我大部分交易知識都來自 Crypto Twitter。像 Cobie、Loom、Trader Main 等很多人，當時都免費分享很多市場經驗、週期、怎麼配置比特幣、不要 all in 山寨、怎麼分散投資、什麼時候該進出場、不要把錢全放一個交易所、怎麼管理錢包等等。他們沒必要這麼做，很多人 2012 年前就買比特幣早就財富自由，還是願意無償分享。我就是受益者。2017、2018 年我沒賺什麼錢，但那些經驗讓我 2021、2023 年能做得好，現在也還能持續做好交易。所以我現在還是會上 Crypto Twitter（現在叫 Crypto X），持續發內容、分享交易想法，就算被罵也一樣。網路上有時負評很多，但我還是會做，因為我知道我有別人想要的知識，也能幫到很多人。其實很少人有這種能力還願意分享。你賺到錢後完全可以不公開、不發內容、想幹嘛就幹嘛，但我 2017 年學習的那些人沒有這樣，他們到現在還在分享。所以這就是我還願意一直在線上的主因，雖然其實沒必要。Um, yeah, I would say that, like, for me, when I first got into crypto in 2017, I didn't know anything. I just graduated from Georgia Tech. I was working as a software engineer, and I learned— Did you work at Capital One? I worked at Capital One, yeah. And I learned the majority of my trading from Crypto Twitter. And so people like Cobie, people like Loom, people like Trader Main, a ton of guys back then, they were all just putting out quality information on, like, how to navigate the market, how market cycles work, like to stack Bitcoin and not stay all in altcoins, like how to diversify your portfolio. When you should be in the market, when you should be out of the market, not to keep all your money on one exchange, like how to manage your personal wallets and all that. So all that information people were putting out there for free, and they had no incentivization to put that information out there. They didn't have to do it. They already were doing well. A lot of these guys bought Bitcoin like 2012 and earlier and were already, like, minted, but they decided to— Put that information out onto Crypto Twitter for other people to learn from, and I was one of the people learning from them. And I didn't make a lot of money in 2017 and 2018, but the lessons that I learned from them and from my first cycle is why I was able to do well in 2021 and why I was able to do well in 2023 and why I was continuing to be able to do well in trading. And so the reason that I continue to log on Crypto Twitter, I guess Crypto X now. And put out content consistently and put out my trade ideas even when people are yelling and screaming and saying X, Y, and Z. There is like a lot of negative blowback sometimes online. But the reason I continue to do it is because I feel like I'm in a position where I know that I have knowledge that other people would love to have. And then I can also help people in a way that not many people are able to do. And there's not a lot of people that are in that position and choose to do that. Because, like, if you've made money trading and you don't need to be public and sharing content, doing X, Y, and Z, you can just fuck off. There's no reason that you can't just go fuck off and do whatever it is that you want to do. But the people that I learned from in 2017 didn't. Do that. Like, they didn't go fuck off. They chose to, and continue to stay to even some to this day, put out quality content and share quality information. And so that's like my main reason for continuing to stay active online, even though I don't necessarily need to.

44:28幽默收尾與教學熱情

44:28對，這就是我的，好啦，差不多該結束了。其實有個 Capital One 的笑話「你的錢包裡有什麼」，但那是 AI 寫的，爛透了。我想說的是，你真的很喜歡教人、幫助大家學習。今晚從你身上學到一點，大家應該也有感覺，就是你在迷因幣世界裡，會說「我賺了很多錢」，但談到賠錢時你說「我還給市場很多」，好像在做慈善一樣。大家給他掌聲，真的很棒、超好笑，謝謝你。Yeah, I think that's my— Yeah, I mean, it's, and we'll finish up, but, and there's a joke about Capital One and what's in your wallet, but AI wrote that. That's fucking bullshit. What I will say is, it seems like you really like to teach. You know, you like to help people learn. And what I've learned from you tonight, or today, and I think everyone has, That if you're in the world that you're in, meme coins trading, you say, I made a lot of money, but instead of saying, I lost money, you just said, I gave a lot back. Like it's fucking charity. Guys, give him a round of applause. Dude, that was great. That was so funny. Thank you so much.