Lando Norris × OKX：F1冠軍的品牌與耐心之道

0:00最強開場與Lando Norris的日常

0:00你以前有過這種開場介紹嗎？我覺得每年都越來越厲害了。去年也很棒，但這大概是我人生中最棒的開場介紹。真的很感謝你，Andrew，這是我需要的。很開心今天你能來，Lando。我想現場很多人都想親耳聽你分享。順帶一提，除了是世界冠軍，你還是超級Padel球迷。我自己也打Padel，還有高爾夫。雖然我打得沒開車那麼厲害，但這些運動讓我保持活力和體能。我一直在學習，想跟最強的人學。真的很棒。Have you ever had an introduction like that before? I think it gets better every year, actually. Last year was good, but this might be the best introduction I've ever had in my life. So, thank you, thank you. I've got the best introduction in my life, Andrew. That's something you need. We're so happy to have you with us today, Lando. I think a lot of people here want to hear that from you. Fun fact about you, by the way, besides being a world champion, you're also a big fan of padel. I play padel too. Yes, I do. I'm a golfer. I'm a padel player. I'm not as good at it as I am at driving, but these are some things I love to do outside of racing. They keep me active and keep me in good shape. But I try, I try to learn from the best. That's great.

0:50今天還有OKX全球管理合夥人Haider Rafique加入我們。順便說，當他不忙於OKX時，他會彈吉他，特別是搖滾樂。還有來自Mastercard的Raj Dhamodharan，他不忙於加密貨幣和Mastercard時，是灣區的專業自行車手。大家都很高興你們來到現場，今天有很多話題要聊。Lando，想先從你開始。你是世界冠軍，實際上成為冠軍後，生活有什麼改變嗎？你變得更放鬆了嗎？日常有什麼不同？Joining us today as well, of course, is Haider Rafique, the Global Managing Partner at OKX. By the way, fun fact: when he's not busy with OKX, he plays guitar, especially rock music. So, let's get started. Many talents in crypto, and of course, we have Raj Dhamodharan from Mastercard joining us. Again, when he's not busy with crypto and Mastercard, he's a professional cyclist in the Bay Area. Guys, we're so happy to have you with us. There's a lot to talk about. Lando, I want to start with you, of course. You're a world champion. Practically, what has changed now that you're a world champion? Are you more relaxed? Has it changed your daily routine?

1:29其實從個人角度來說，沒什麼太大改變，這是好事。這正是我希望的。你很難預測事情發生前會怎樣，會聽到很多說法，但整體來說都是正面又讓人自豪的。沒什麼變化我很開心。我覺得最重要的是我對去年成就的心態。現在我能帶著更多自信、更多自我肯定進入新賽季，也更清楚自己能和最強的對手競爭。我證明了自己有這個能力。我一直是那種需要先證明給自己看，才能真正相信的人。真的很棒。要贏得第一場比賽，得先贏下第一場，然後才會對自己說：好，現在可以爭奪竿位、爭取更多。去年對我來說絕對是大年。Honestly, from a personal side, not much has changed, and that's a good thing. That's exactly what I hoped for. It's hard to predict what will happen before things actually happen. You hear a lot of things, but in a positive and proud way. Not much has changed, and I'm very happy about that. I think one of the most important things was my mentality towards what I achieved last year. Now I can go into this year with more confidence, more self-belief, and a better understanding of my ability to compete with the best. I can compete against the best, and I've proven that to myself. I've always been someone who needs to prove things to myself before I can honestly say them to myself, you know. So, amazing. To get the first win, I had to win the first race. Only then did I say to myself, okay, now I can go for pole position, all those things. So, last year was definitely a big year.

2:33耐心與現實目標

2:33正如Andrew剛剛提到，你已經賽車快二十年，現在成為世界冠軍。我還記得兩年前你剛和OKX合作時，McLaren還不是頂尖車隊。現在我們正處於加密貨幣熊市，經過這麼多年，你有什麼建議？特別是給那些等待很久才迎來勝利的人。其實在我們這行要很有耐心，我覺得在加密貨幣世界耐心有時很難，因為你會即時看到結果。在我們的運動裡也是，你必須有耐心。有時候要著眼長遠，不能每天都贏，也許加密貨幣也是這樣。你不能每天都贏，也不該這樣期待。你要設定現實的目標，有短期也有長期目標。As Andrew just mentioned, you've been racing for nearly twenty years, and now you're a world champion. I even remember two years ago when you started the partnership with OKX, McLaren wasn't among the top teams. We're in a crypto bear market now, so after all these years, what advice do you have? Especially for those who have waited a long time to achieve victory. Well, in our field, you have to be patient, and I think patience is sometimes hard in crypto because you see the results right in front of you, live. Yes, you have to be patient. Sometimes it's about playing the long game, and you can't win every day, and maybe it's the same in crypto. You can't win every day, and I don't think you should expect to. You have to set realistic goals, short-term and long-term.

3:26像今年我們沒贏，對我們來說這週末的勝利不一定是第一名，可能是第五、第三或站上頒獎台。所以每天、每年都要設定現實目標。這也跟接受自己不會永遠完美、不會永遠贏有關，要知道有時別人表現得更好。你可能會輸，這是很重要的一環。This year, for example, we're not winning, so winning for us this weekend doesn't mean first place. It might mean finishing fifth or third or getting on the podium. So, setting realistic goals every day and every year is important. It probably intersects with accepting that you won't always be perfect, you won't always win, and realizing that others might do a better job sometimes. Yeah, you might lose. That's a big part of it.

3:55運動員心態與學習

3:55談到耐心和堅持，當你觀察全球運動員，有沒有哪位運動員讓你特別欣賞他的專注和耐心？其實很多，像網球界我和幾位網球選手是好朋友，像Yannick或Carlos Zverev，他們都是很棒的夥伴，我有機會認識他們。你會慢慢了解他們的思考方式、每天的心態。是不是每天都只想著工作？其實要有平衡，懂得怎麼平衡工作和生活，還有享受和樂趣。高爾夫選手也是。多年來有機會認識高爾夫球員，像Rory，了解他們怎麼思考，每天對自己說什麼。Speaking of patience and perseverance, when you look at athletes around the world, is there any athlete in other disciplines, whether in driving or any other sport, that you admire for their focus and patience? I mean, there are many. From the tennis side, I'm good friends with some tennis players, like Yannick or Carlos Zverev. They're great guys I've gotten to know well. You slowly start to understand how they think, what their mentality is every day. Is all they think about work? There's a balance, and you have to understand how to balance work and life, and enjoyment and fun. Golfers, too. Over the years, I've had the chance to meet golfers, meet Rory again, and understand how they think about things, what they say to themselves every day.

4:58對我來說，我從來不是那種一早起來就對自己說「今天我會贏一切」的人。我總是要自己去證明才相信。所以看到有些運動員是完全相反的心態，像「今天就是我的日子，我會是最棒的」，這讓我很有興趣，因為我本來沒有這種心態，需要努力學習。從別人身上學到這點對我很有幫助，我也很喜歡認識新的運動員和明星，了解他們怎麼成為現在的自己。For me, I was never the person who, as I just said, wakes up and says, today I'm going to win everything. I always had to go out and prove it to myself. So, seeing others who have this opposite mentality, who say, I'm going to wake up and today is my day, today I'm going to be the best, that's something that's always interested me because it's not something I really had, and I had to work on it and learn about it. So, learning about that from others has been great for me, and I love meeting new athletes and all the stars, and knowing how they became who they are.

5:37高爾夫與模擬器的啟發

5:37你是高爾夫高手，有沒有哪個球場你還沒打過但很想去？其實我很幸運，打過不少頂級球場。最喜歡的是奧古斯塔國家高爾夫俱樂部。我很幸運，和我的老闆Zak一起去過幾次，每次都要讓他贏（笑）。能遇到這麼多厲害的人，環遊世界，真的很幸運。美國和拉斯維加斯還有幾個Tiger Woods設計的球場我還沒去過，以後一定要去。You're a big golfer, as mentioned. What's a course you'd like to play that you haven't yet? I've been lucky. I've played some of the best courses. My favorite is Augusta National. Yes, I'm a lucky person. I've played there a few times with Zak, my boss. Yes, I have to let him win every time. But I'm lucky to meet great people, travel around the world, and get introduced to amazing people. So, I'm in a very privileged position to do these kinds of things, but there are a few. I think in America and in Vegas, there are some Tiger Woods courses I've never played that I need to play at some point.

6:22你對高爾夫模擬器有興趣嗎？其實還好。我很喜歡賽車模擬器，從小就在家裡玩。記得小時候玩Gran Turismo，爸爸有方向盤和踏板，我四歲時就開始玩。那時還打不贏爸爸，直到有一天我用模擬器和踏板才第一次贏他。那時我還不懂開車，但那是我第一次發現自己很有天分，雖然當時沒意識到。What about golf simulators? Are you interested in golf simulators? Not really. I love simulators for racing. I grew up playing on simulators at home. I remember starting maybe when I was... I mean, my life started playing Gran Turismo on PlayStation. My dad had a wheel and pedals I had to put on the table when I was about four years old. Yes, and I couldn't beat my dad using the controller. One day I thought I'd try connecting the wheel and pedals and see how it goes. I had no idea about driving or anything like that. The first time I beat my dad in a race was when I used the simulator and pedals. So, when I was four, that was my first sign, even though I didn't realize it then, maybe the first clue that I was really good at this.

7:15高爾夫模擬器我偶爾會玩。其實這裡就有兩台，我會帶團隊去玩，因為不想讓他們把高爾夫球場搞砸（笑）。有時和朋友一起去，模擬器真的很棒。任何可以模擬真實體驗的東西都很有幫助，像加密貨幣你可以用模擬帳戶練習、犯錯再學習。開車和高爾夫也是一樣，學習自己的優缺點，知道哪裡做錯，這是最貼近真實又能練習的好方法。對我來說這是很有價值的經驗。I play golf simulators a bit. Actually, there are two here. So, I go with my team because I don't want them to mess up the golf courses. So, I have to take them to... But to practice a bit, have a fun day, and sometimes I go with my friends, but simulators are great. Anything where you can practice the real thing, I think, is good, whether that's maybe with crypto and having a demo account, where you can practice, learn, make mistakes, and learn from them. It's the same with driving and golf. You learn what your bad and good turns are, what you're doing wrong in your driving, and you can learn. So, I think it's one of the best ways to feel like it's real while being able to practice the real thing. For me, that's a really valuable insight.

8:08OKX與McLaren的品牌策略

8:08你剛提到加密貨幣，Haider，我想請你分享。2022年你們決定贊助McLaren，那時McLaren還不是現在這麼強的車隊。這段合作對OKX品牌有什麼影響？你們這兩年做得很棒。謝謝你。2022年感覺很久以前了，那時公司還叫OKCoin或OKX，品牌有點分散。我們和McLaren及其他大合作的原因，是因為剛把公司品牌統一成OKX（應該是2022年2月），我們需要一個很大的分發平台，所以開始找運動團隊，也看娛樂產業。F1吸引我們的原因，特別是McLaren，是因為F1是唯一會環遊世界的運動，大概有24場比賽遍及22個市場，沒有其他產業能有這種覆蓋率。You mentioned crypto, Haider. I want to bring you in. In 2022, you decided to sponsor McLaren. At that time, McLaren wasn't the leading team we see today. What role did the partnership with McLaren play in the OKX brand? You've done a great job in the last two years. Thank you. So, 2022 feels like a long time ago. At that time, the company was known as OKCoin or OKX. We had some brand fragmentation. The reason we did the McLaren deal and some of our other big partnerships is because we had just rebranded the company to OKX. I think that was in February 2022, and we needed a very big distribution platform, so we were looking at sports teams, and we were looking at entertainment. The thing that attracted us to Formula 1, and I'll tell you why McLaren specifically, is that Formula 1 is the only sport that goes around the world. I think it's about 24 races in 22 markets, if I'm not mistaken. You can't get that reach with any other entity.

9:18作為行銷長，我從不相信買廣告。我覺得那是很廉價的行銷方式。把自己和情感連結才是建立品牌的好方法，當你有大分發平台時，魔法就發生了。2022年其實沒什麼人知道OKX這個品牌，沒人認識這個Logo，多虧了McLaren、F1和我們其他投資，品牌知名度大幅提升。2022年也是我們第一次贊助TOKEN2049，從那時起每年都參與。McLaren很特別，因為我們當時和很多車隊談過，Red Bull表現很好，還有Mercedes，但我自己是McLaren粉絲，從小玩Gran Turismo和Grand Theft Auto，McLaren有很棒的傳承，從Senna到Coulthard、Montoya、Mika等都是傳奇車手。我覺得無論做交易、買房、投資運動隊或投資自己，都要找有內在價值但價格還沒被炒高的資產，這樣才有好的進場點。我們為OKX談到很棒的合作條件，然後搭上策略浪潮。As a marketing director, I never believed in buying ads. I think it's a cheap way to do marketing. Tying yourself to emotions is a better way to build a brand, and when you get that with a big distribution platform, that's where the magic happens. So, you know, in 2022, no one really knew what OKX was, no one knew the logo, and thanks to McLaren, Formula 1, and some of the other investments we made, we achieved incredible brand velocity. I think 2022 was the first year we sponsored TOKEN2049, and since then, we've been sponsoring this event. So, McLaren was interesting because we talked to a number of teams at the time. Red Bull was doing very well, and there was Mercedes, but McLaren, and I believe this as a fan, and like... I played Gran Turismo and Grand Theft Auto. Yeah, but McLaren. I remember growing up, McLaren had this amazing heritage from Senna to the newer drivers like David Coulthard, Montoya, Mika, all those were great drivers, and I just feel in life, whether in trading, buying real estate, investing in a sports team, or in yourself, you have to look for assets that have a lot of intrinsic value and maybe aren't trading at a high price, because that gives you a really good entry point. So, we were able to negotiate an incredible deal for OKX, and then we were able to ride the wave of the winning strategy.

10:58我們知道Zak在投資車手上很有眼光，Lando表現越來越好，後來還帶Oscar進隊。對創業者或專案來說，想靠數據找到爆炸性成長是錯誤想法，你必須相信直覺，大膽冒險、果斷決策，這樣才能帶來正確成果。從中游到世界冠軍，看到我們玩Grand Theft Auto的日子有回報真的很棒。We knew Zak was doing an amazing job investing in the right drivers, Lando was coming up and performing very well, and then he ended up bringing Oscar to the team. So, look, here we are. I'll tell you, the idea that you can look at data and know how to achieve explosive growth for founders or people working on projects is a misconception. You have to follow your gut, you have to take bold risks and make decisive decisions. Yes, and that ultimately leads to the right results. From midfield to world championship, it would be great to see those days we spent playing Grand Theft Auto pay off.

11:39Mastercard的創新與品牌價值

11:39Raj，從你的角度來看，Mastercard和McLaren合作有什麼收穫？大家都知道Mastercard這個品牌，為什麼還要和McLaren合作？很高興能和McLaren、OKX這兩家很棒的公司一起合作，我們做了很多不同的事。Mastercard幾年前就開始和McLaren合作，這兩年我們成為主要贊助商，現在是Mastercard McLaren車隊。看到Logo、看到熱情和一切在場上場下都展現出來，真的很棒。對我們來說，重點有幾個，第一是專注於創新。Mastercard幾十年來一直在創新，讓人們的生活更快更便利，把科技放在第一位。這也很像McLaren的做法，他們幾乎在每個科技細節都在創新。我還記得第一次走進車庫，看到大家為了目標努力。Zak會說明有多少感測器、我們怎麼做，一切都專注於效能。如果你看我們做的事，就是讓全球消費者有簡單體驗，數十億張卡、數百萬據點，只要輕輕一刷，背後的魔法就發生了。這種專注於簡單體驗真的很棒。第二點是無價的熱情，品牌帶來的連結和激情。Raja, from your perspective, what benefit has Mastercard gained from such a partnership? Of course, everyone knows Mastercard as a brand, so what's the benefit of this association with McLaren? Yes, look, thank you. It's really great to be with both McLaren and OKX, two great companies. We're working on a variety of things. Mastercard started a partnership with McLaren a few years ago, and in the last two years, we've become the main sponsor. It's now the Mastercard McLaren team. It's really great to see the logo and also see the passion and everything come together on and off the field for the fans. For us, it comes down to a few things. The first is really focusing on innovation. Mastercard has spent decades innovating and making things easier for people in terms of speed and performance, putting technology first. I started to describe how McLaren works, right? They often innovate in every aspect of technology. I still remember the first time I walked into the garage and saw what people do to reach their goal. Zak describes the number of sensors, how we do it. All of this is focused on performance. And if you look at what we do, it's about providing a simple experience for consumers around the world. Billions of cards, millions of locations, a simple tap, and all the magic happens behind the scenes. That focus on a really simple experience is great. And the second thing is: priceless, the passion that this brand carries, connecting people to what matters to them.

13:25F1創新與日常生活的連結

13:25是的，F1 是成長最快的運動之一，而 McLaren 也是成長最快的品牌之一，擁有極佳的市場滲透力。這是完美的組合。每進入一個新市場，McLaren 幾乎都在那裡。我們能用最先進的技術，帶給粉絲最熱血的體驗。這和團隊的合作真的很棒，特別是在創新這一塊。Yes, and Formula 1 is one of the fastest-growing sports, and McLaren is one of the fastest-growing brands, with great accessibility. It's a perfect combination, yeah. So, every market we enter—let's mention how many markets McLaren is in. We're in those markets and more. And we can bring that exciting experience to fans with our best technology. It's been a great partnership with the team. It's great, especially on the innovation side.

13:57我覺得很多不常看比賽的人，可能沒意識到 F1 有多創新。F1 真的是技術發展的前線，背後是各個車隊的努力。你會對 F1 世界的創新感到驚訝嗎？很高興能成為其中一小部分。像我可以提供一些我們需要改進的建議，所以我們會有升級，也會有創新。I think a lot of people who don't follow racing regularly don't realize how much innovation there is in Formula 1. It's really at the forefront of development, and the teams are behind that. Are you surprised by all this innovation happening in Formula 1? I mean, it's great to be a small part of it. Like, I can give hints about what we need to improve, so I think we have upgrades, and we also have innovations.

14:23F1 因為競爭激烈，帶來了很多創新，這些創新也影響到世界其他地方。過去二十年 F1 做的很多事，現在你會在日常開的車上看到。像我記得 McLaren 做出史上第一台碳纖維車體的道路車，現在很多高性能車都用碳纖維。很多東西都是從賽車開始，然後普及到一般大眾。不論是安全還是性能，能在這個圈子裡真的很特別。There are a lot of things Formula 1 innovates because of competitiveness, which have moved to other parts of the world, and a lot of what Formula 1 has done over the last twenty years, you now see in the regular cars you drive every day. I remember McLaren made the first carbon fiber chassis for a road car ever, and now there are many road-legal race cars and high-performance cars around the world that rely entirely on carbon fiber. So, a lot of things started in racing and moved to the general public. Whether from a safety or performance perspective, being part of this circle is really special and amazing.

15:05極致追求與競爭壓力

15:05在性能方面，我們每個週末都在嘗試讓車子更快，可能只是提升零點一秒，聽起來不多，但如果有人告訴我這週車子快了零點一秒，我會超開心，值得慶祝。這是很重要的升級。我們談的是零點一、零點零一、甚至零點零零一秒的提升。這就是我們如何優化每個零件，如何把每個小細節都集合起來，找到十個、十五個能各自省下零點零一秒的地方，最後加總起來就有零點一五秒的進步。But from our performance side, we try to improve the car every weekend, and that could be trying to gain a tenth of a second, which might not sound like much—a tenth. If you told me the car is a tenth faster this week, I'd be very happy. Time to celebrate. That's a good and important upgrade. So we're talking about tenths, hundredths, and thousandths of a second. And is this how we can improve every part of the car? How do we put together every little piece to find ten or fifteen things that each give a hundredth of a second, and in the end, you find you've gained a tenth and a half.

15:45所以重點就是找出那些微小的細節，發現別人沒注意到的地方，開發還沒被探索的領域，並希望這些是競爭對手還沒想到的，這樣你就能領先他們。這是一個持續的動力，如果你哪怕只鬆懈一個週末，對手就會超越你。所以這種壓力永遠不會停，這也是讓這項運動如此刺激的原因。某種程度上，這跟加密貨幣很像。So it's really about finding the small things and finding... the things others aren't looking at: discovering areas or, yeah, areas that haven't been explored yet, and hopefully things others haven't looked into yet, so you can try to improve and get ahead of your competitors. So, it's a constant drive, and if you relax even for one weekend, your competitors will overtake you. So, it's a relentless drive, and I think that's what makes it so exciting. It's kind of like crypto from that perspective.

16:16F1車手的日常駕駛與自駕車看法

16:16我一直很好奇，Lando，作為 F1 車手，當你在一般道路上開車、有限速時，你是怎麼適應的？其實很可怕。說真的，我在路上開車比開賽車還怕。因為有些人根本不該拿駕照。還有對向來車。你知道，我平常是跟二十、二十一個世界上最頂尖的車手一起比賽，但在路上你不會被這些頂尖車手包圍。我們在賽道上都往同一方向，大家都知道極限，但路上危險多很多，所以我真的比較怕在路上開車。I've always wondered, Lando, as Formula 1 drivers, when you drive a regular car on a regular street with a speed limit, how do you deal with it? I mean, it must be... It's scary. Yeah, yeah, scary. Um, as I was saying, I feel more scared driving on the road than I do in a race car. I'm more scared, and I think that's right, because there are some people who shouldn't have a driver's license in the first place. And also, I mean, you have, yeah, no comment. And you have cars coming from the other direction. You know, I'm with twenty, twenty-one of the best drivers in the world. When you're on the road, you're not necessarily surrounded by twenty-one of the best drivers in the world. So, we're all going in the same direction, and we all know the limits. On the road, it's much more dangerous. So, I'm really more scared.

17:13我其實很沒耐心。如果有人在快車道上開很慢，我會閃大燈提醒他們，甚至超車時比個手勢。那你怎麼看自駕車？你覺得駕駛的樂趣會消失嗎？只要它們不搶我飯碗我就沒意見。我真的很愛開車，喜歡汽車的味道、聲音、感覺。我也愛老車、經典車，因為更有真實感。即使現在 F1 很多創新，像電動化這些我其實沒那麼喜歡，還是比較愛以前的 V10、V8 引擎。不過還有其他創新方式，比如燃料。如果用合成燃料、生質燃料，也許能讓我們回到 V8、V10，那種原始的力量和真實感。But I, I lose my patience, actually. I flash my headlights to let someone know if they're in the fast lane when they shouldn't be. I'll point at them when I pass them. What's your view as an F1 driver on self-driving cars? Do you think the art of driving will be lost? As long as they don't take my job, I'm happy. No, but I mean, I love driving cars. I'm a car lover, so I love the smell, the sound, the feel. I love historic and classic cars because you get more authenticity, all that. Even in Formula 1 now, you know, innovation is coming, and everything is becoming electric and things I'm not the biggest fan of compared to V10 engines, V8s that Formula 1 used to use, but there are other ways to innovate. Some of that is through fuel. We could go back to V8s and V10s if we used synthetic fuel and biofuel and so on, to bring back some of that authenticity and raw power we used to have.

18:18當然，自駕車有很多好處，現在全球尤其美國越來越多。但對我們這些愛開車的人來說，這不是什麼好消息。這市場有需求，但我覺得 F1 的特別之處在於你能和人互動，能和我們車手互動，看到失誤、看到情感，這種連結感是運動裡很重要的東西。我認為這是自動化永遠無法取代的。But there are also a lot of positives for self-driving cars, and you see them more and more around the world, especially in America. Yeah, and that's great for a lot of people, but of course for drivers, it's not a good thing. So, yeah, there's a market for that, but I think Formula 1 is great because you can connect with people. You can connect with us, our drivers, you can see mistakes, you can see, you can connect, you can... yeah. You can feel the connection, and I think that's something you always feel in sports in general, so I think it's an area automation will never fully take over.

18:51F1光鮮背後的現實與成長

18:51你剛提到連結。你在這裡有很多粉絲，F1 也是很閃耀的運動。那你日常生活中，有什麼外界看起來很光鮮，實際上卻不是那麼美好的地方？除了來加密貨幣活動講話（笑），其實我很幸運能有機會探索賽車以外的事。我的人生一直圍繞賽車，我很愛這一切，不會想換掉。最大的好處是能認識很多人，像今天來這種活動，開始學習不同領域的東西。以前我不太會去探索新領域，從小到大都只想著怎麼當賽車手。現在在 F1 七年了，終於開始欣賞賽車圈外的事物，也想學更多新東西，這感覺很棒。You're talking about connection. Obviously, you have great fans in this room, and Formula 1 has achieved that—it's a very glamorous sport. In your daily life, what's the unglamorous side that people think is glamorous from the outside? Besides speaking at crypto events—no, I mean, it's great that I have the chance to explore things outside my usual work. My whole life has been about racing and cars, and I love it and wouldn't trade it for anything. I think the advantage is that I get to meet people like these, attend events like this, and at least start learning different things, which is good for me, because when I was younger, I wasn't really someone who explored different areas. I love racing. My whole life, my whole childhood was about how to become a racing driver. So now, being at this stage, after seven years in Formula 1, I've finally started to appreciate things outside of that, and I finally feel a desire to learn more beyond the life I was stuck in, which is great.

19:59我很開心能來這裡、看到不同的事物。但我最不喜歡的，大概就是一直被鏡頭對著。別誤會，不是針對你（笑），但你會失去一些隱私。你不能隨便說要跟朋友出去玩，因為總有人拿著相機，隔天就會上社群媒體，所以你不能讓自己出糗或做什麼奇怪的事。不過我還是努力保持平衡，還是想當個普通人，跟朋友出去、開趴，有時候會忘記有鏡頭對著我，所以也犯過幾個錯。這是 F1 的負面，但也有正面，因為你有粉絲、有支持者，有小孩把你當榜樣。這是很特別的責任，因為我以前也是那個小孩，看到 Lewis、Seb、Fernando 等人，現在還在跟他們比賽。想到自己曾經是他們的粉絲，現在有小孩用同樣的眼光看我，這感覺真的很特別。So, I'm very happy to be here and to witness other things. But the thing I don't enjoy much is probably having the camera on you all the time. Don't take it personally, but you lose a bit of privacy in your life. Don't you think? You lose a bit of the freedom to say, I'll go out with some friends and have a good time, because you know there's always someone watching with a camera, and it'll end up on social media the next day, so you can never make a fool of yourself or do those things, but I'm still trying to balance it well. I still want to go out and feel like a normal person. I still want to go out just to be with my friends, have a good time, throw a party, or whatever it might be. And sometimes I forget there's a camera on me, so yeah, I've made a few mistakes, but that's the downside of Formula 1, but in a positive way because you have fans and supporters, you have kids growing up looking up to you as a role model, and I think that's one of the most special things I carry, which is a responsibility to that generation because I was in their place once—when I was younger, seeing Lewis or Seb or Fernando or whoever, they're the people I'm still racing against now. So, for me to think I was in their place and now there are kids looking at me in that same way, that's a very special feeling.

21:18自我成長與信心建議

21:18如果要給小時候剛開始賽車、六七歲的自己一個建議，我會說：要相信自己。我以前總覺得要證明自己，把標準設得很高，常常對自己的表現失望。這在成長過程中是好事，因為我從不滿足，總想變得更好。但有時候，懂得肯定自己也很重要。近兩年我學會了什麼時候該肯定自己、什麼時候該努力改進，也有好團隊幫助我進步。如果能回去跟小時候的自己說話，我會說：多相信自己的能力，這會讓你更安心。今年我參加排位賽和比賽時，理論上準備沒那麼多，但信心更強，知道自己能做到。去年我會一直自我懷疑，想太多，陷入腦袋打結。問問題是好事，但要有個限度，最後還是要相信自己，知道你在這裡是有原因的，你會做得很好。What advice would Lando in his twenties give to young Lando, who started racing at six or seven? What would I say? I think one of the things we touched on is believing in yourself, because I was someone who always felt I had to prove myself. I set my own standards very high and was often disappointed with my personal performance, which was good growing up because I was never satisfied and always wanted to improve. But at some point, it's good to acknowledge what you achieve. I think self-satisfaction is sometimes good. Praising yourself and knowing when you do a good job is great. I've always been able, especially over the last two years, to understand when I'm doing a good job and when I need to work on improving myself, and having a good team around me to help improve my performance. If I could go back and tell my younger self, I'd say: trust your abilities more, because that gives you comfort. This year I can go into qualifying and races feeling less prepared in theory, but with more confidence that I'll go out and do the job I know I can do. Last year I was asking myself too many questions, way too many, and that makes you overthink and spiral in your mind. Questions are good but only to a point; in the end, you have to trust your abilities no matter the field and realize you're here for a reason and you'll go out and do a good job.

22:45快問快答與個人偏好

22:45好，大家，我們剩下一分半。Lando，這是你第一次跟我玩這個遊戲。我會問問題，你們只能用一兩個字回答。你現在第二名，他第一名，我們就這樣輪流。準備好了嗎？我們在新加坡，最喜歡新加坡什麼？中餐。Lando：人。主持人：我以前住這裡，食物真的很棒。下一題，你最愛的遊戲或電競遊戲？我知道 Lando 是職業玩家。我：Call of Duty。Lando：我從小玩賽車遊戲，所以 Gran Turismo 或類似的。主持人：Grand Theft Auto。Alright, guys, we have a minute and thirty seconds left. Lando, this is the first time you're doing this with me. I'll ask questions and I need one- or two-word answers. You're in second place here and he's in first, and we'll keep going like that. Are you ready? Let's start. We're in Singapore this week. What's your favorite thing about Singapore? Chinese food. Lando: People. Host: Of course, I used to live here. Food definitely satisfies my taste. Next, what's your favorite game or favorite esports game ever? I know Lando is a pro gamer. Me: Call of Duty. Lando: I grew up on racing games, so Gran Turismo or something like that. Host: Grand Theft Auto.

23:45如果要選一位運動員當榜樣，會選誰？Lando Norris。Lando：這題很難，每個人都有優缺點。我喜歡高爾夫，所以選 Tiger Woods，特別是他從低潮到成功的經歷。主持人：我也會選 Tiger Woods，他真的很厲害。If you had to pick an athlete to be like when you grow up, who would it be? Lando Norris. Lando: That's a tough question. I like, I like... I don't know, there are positives and negatives to all these people. I like golf, so I'll pick Tiger Woods, especially from the achievement perspective, how he went from setbacks to success. Host: Yeah, I'd pick Tiger Woods too. He's an incredible athlete.

24:20這題給 Raj：如果你不在加密產業，會想在哪個產業？我一直在支付領域，之前在電信業。Lando，如果你不是 F1 車手，會想做什麼？我想當 OKX 的行銷長。主持人：也許這裡有職缺，你們可以討論一下。Raj：作家。主持人：太棒了。This question is for Raj: If you weren't in crypto, what industry would you want to be in? Look, I've been in payments, payments. Before that, telecom. Lando, if you weren't an F1 driver, what would you want to be? I'd want to be CMO at OKX. Host: There you go, maybe there's an opening here. You two can discuss. Raj: Writer. Host: Oh my god, I love that.

24:52還有兩題。你被困在荒島，只能帶一個人：Elon Musk、Jeff Bezos、Donald Trump、Taylor Swift？Raj：Donald Trump。Lando：Taylor Swift。主持人：我們在投資大會，我選 Warren Buffett。Two questions left. You're stuck on a deserted island, you can take one of these four: Elon Musk, Jeff Bezos, Donald Trump, or Taylor Swift? Raj: Donald Trump. Lando: Taylor Swift. Host: We're at an investment conference, so I'll pick Warren Buffett.

25:27最後一題：你可以和一位在世的人共進午餐或晚餐，會選誰？Raj：我剛剛已經回答了，Warren Buffett。Lando：Warren Buffett。主持人：Taylor Swift。大家，謝謝你們，給我們熱烈掌聲！And guys, let's end with this. Last question for everyone: You can have lunch or dinner with one person alive today. Raj: I just answered, Warren Buffett. Lando: Warren Buffett. Host: Taylor Swift. Guys, thank you so much. Big round of applause for the panel. Thank you, everyone.