NBA 冠軍 Tristan Thompson：從球場到鏈上，運動員的加密新人生

0:00從 NBA 冠軍到全職進軍加密圈

0:00哇，能在 TOKEN2049 的舞台上和你一起真的很有趣。我想大家最想知道的第一個問題就是，你從 NBA 冠軍、打了 14 季的球員，怎麼會決定全職投入這個產業？Wow, well, it's really fun for me to be here with you on the stage at Token. And I guess my first question, and what I think people are probably wondering, is, you know, you pivoted your NBA career. Being a champion, 14 seasons, to be in this space full time.

0:26那我想就先從「為什麼」開始吧？首先，這就是金融的未來，對吧？而且我認為，對於大多數運動員、名人和娛樂圈的人來說，這是一個我們普遍缺乏教育、沒有學到基本知識的領域。我認為金融是唯一一個你必須信任完全陌生人的領域，這其實是個很荒謬的想法。你想想看，像你買的車、如果有機會結婚的對象、你選擇的學校，這些基本上都是你自己的選擇。但在金融方面，你卻必須把自己辛苦工作、累積起來的東西，交給別人來處理，這需要很大的信任。So I guess just to start, why? Well, first of all, it's the future of finance, right? And I think it's an area where, for most athletes, celebrities, and entertainers, you know, it's the one area where we have a lack of education and haven't been taught the fundamentals. I think finance is the only area where you have to trust a complete stranger, which is a ridiculous thought process. I mean, think about the car you buy, the person if you have the chance to get married, the school you go to, it's kind of your choice. But with finance, you got to put a lot of trust in something that you've worked and built up and to hand to somebody else.

1:06而且，你知道，你總是會聽到那些可怕的故事，這真的很令人難過。所以對我來說，為什麼不成為太空裡的黑豹，去教導大家金融知識，同時也在大家錯過機會之前，讓他們及早掌握那些機會呢？And like, you know, you hear all the horror stories, which is—Sad. And so for myself, it's like, why not be a Black Panther in space and teach the literacy, but then also put people on opportunities prior to being late to the party.

1:20第一次接觸加密貨幣：Book of Meme 與 Phantom 錢包

1:20說到帶人入門，你是怎麼接觸到加密貨幣的？你第一次是怎麼知道這個東西的？我有個朋友，那天是他老婆的生日，我們在洛杉磯有個朋友就說，「嘿，拿一千美元，開一個 Phantom 錢包，然後買這個代幣。」所以他就拿了一千美元，買了那個代幣，然後去吃晚餐，回到家後，那一千美元已經變成五萬美元了。那就是 Book of Meme，你們大家應該都知道這個。所以他打電話給我，說，「Tristan，我賺了五萬美元。」我說，「什麼？這是什麼東西？你是在詐騙誰嗎？發生什麼事了？」他說，「沒有啦，兄弟。」So, speaking of putting people on, what was your introduction to crypto? How did you first find out about it? A buddy of mine, it was his wife's birthday, and a friend of ours in L.A. was like, Hey. Take a thousand dollars, open a Phantom wallet, and buy this token. So he takes a thousand dollars, he buys the token, goes to dinner, comes back home, it goes from a thousand dollars to 50 grand. It was Book of Meme, so all you guys know about that. So he calls me, he's like, Tristan, I'm up 50 grand. I said, What? I said, What is this? I said, Are you rugging somebody? What's going on? He's like, No, man.

1:57這是上鏈的，因為在那之前，我們其實在紐約跟Dolce & Gabbana以及Inbetweeners一起為NFT NYC舉辦了一場派對。所以我們看到有多少在NFT領域的人來參加我們辦的活動。於是我心想，OK，酷酷的。現在我們轉向加密貨幣了。現在他已經賺了五萬美金。他都沒在睡覺，眼睛下方都是黑眼圈。我就問他，兄弟，發生什麼事了？現在他也在買一些其他的迷因幣，像是Waka Flocka，他還買了一堆其他的迷因幣。很明顯那些幣有漲也有跌。但我心想，這裡面有些有趣的東西。讓我開始深入研究一下，對吧？如果我朋友能這麼快把他的錢翻五十倍，那這裡一定有什麼門道。This is on-chain because prior to that, we actually threw a party in New York with Dolce & Gabbana and Inbetweeners for NFT NYC. So we saw how many people were in the NFT space came to the event that we threw. So I was like, okay, cool, cool. So now we pivoted to crypto now. So now he's up 50 grand. He's not sleeping. He has bags under his eyes. And I said, brother, what's going on? So now he's also buying. Some other meme coins like the Waka Flocka, and he's buying a bunch of other meme coins. Obviously those go up and those crash. But I said, okay, this is something interesting here. Let me start doing my deep dive on it, right? If my friend can, you know, 50x his money very quickly, there's got to be something here.

2:38很幸運我在 LA 有幾個朋友，像 Olaf（Coinbase 早期員工）和 Ryan Fang（ANKR 共同創辦人），他是 Cal Berkeley 的人，2016 年唯一在舊金山支持騎士隊的傢伙。我開始問他們問題，然後就被 orange-pilled，這也是為什麼我的 iPhone 殼是橘色的。進入這個 Matrix 之後，我就愛上這個圈子，覺得這裡真的有特別的東西，想要成為這趟旅程的一部分。So, very fortunate to know a couple friends of mine from LA. Olaf, obviously one of the early Coinbase employees, and then Ryan Fang, who was a co-founder of ANKR, who was a Cal Berkeley guy, only guy in San Fran that was rooting for the Cavs in 2016, by the way. So sorry for this long reason, but then started asking them questions. And then after that got orange-pilled. That's why my iPhone case is orange, and started to get into the Matrix, fell in love with this space and realized there's something here special. And I wanted to be part of this journey.

3:11新手學習之路：從 L1、L2 到 DeFi 實戰

3:11我有讀到你其實有請家教，還上了三個小時的課程來學習加密貨幣。我很好奇，在那些課程中你學到最讓你興奮的事情是什麼？ 對啊，你猜怎麼著？我的家教其實都在新加坡。有三位先生，他們都住在新加坡。所以時差真的很瘋狂。我大概每天晚上八點上課，一直到午夜左右，因為對他們來說是白天。我們從最基礎開始學，像是什麼是L1、什麼是L2、什麼是DeFi，還有槓桿交易這些。So I read that you actually hired tutors and sat through three-hour sessions to learn about crypto. I'm curious, what was the most exciting thing you learned during those sessions? Yeah, well, guess what? My tutors were actually based in Singapore. There were three gentlemen. They were based in Singapore. So the time difference was nuts. I think I was doing classes around 8 p.m. till about midnight every day because it was daytime for them. And we learned from, like, you know, what is an L1, what's an L2, what's DeFi, you know, leverage trading.

3:40我想要學會整個東西，你知道的，整個領域，因為我看待這件事的方式是這樣：如果我要教我的同儕，讓他們能夠理解，我就必須從基礎一路學到最上層。因為我不想跳過任何步驟，也不想給別人錯誤的建議，對吧？因為說到底，我非常重視自己的承諾。而我最不想做的事情，就是讓我的朋友或同儕陷入我無法幫助他們、無法讓他們避開風險的情況。所以事情就是這樣發生的。這一路上很有趣，尤其是當我跟別人聊起我在鏈上做的事情時。I wanted to learn the entire thing, you know, the entire space, because the way I look at it is this: if I'm going to teach my peers and have them understand, I have to know basically from the foundation all the way up. Because I don't want to skip steps, and I also don't want to give people bad advice, right? Because at the end of the day, I take my word, you know, with high regards. And the last thing I want to do is put my friends or peers in a situation where I can't, you know, help them or save them from the red flags. So that's what happened. It's been fun, especially when I talk to people and tell them what I do on-chain.

4:12就像我內心有很多真正的「degen」（極度冒險的加密玩家）一樣。我不是只單純投資，而是會一路做到在像 Meteora 這樣的平台做 LP 質押，還會在 Arkis 上槓桿操作，只為了準備好參加農場和空投活動。It's like I have a lot of real degen in me. Like I either go from like—Investing to all the way LP pooling on like Meteora and leveraging on Arkis just to get ready for the farm and airdrops.

4:24NFT 熱潮後的堅持與投資人視角

4:24很多名人在 NFT 熱潮的時候開始接觸加密貨幣，然後那之後又有很多人離開了這個領域。但你一直都還在，而且看起來你對金融和投資這一塊真的很有興趣，不只是想要賺一波快錢。所以我很好奇，作為一個投資人，你希望這個領域裡還沒出現、但應該被打造出來的東西是什麼？你覺得大家應該要解決什麼問題？ 我認為關鍵就是要做出好的產品，對吧？我覺得我們要跳脫「嘿，我在做一個加密貨幣專案」這種說法。我覺得這就像 Uber 或 Lyft 或其他這些應用程式一樣，對吧？我們其實不知道它背後到底是 AWS 還是雲端服務。So a lot of celebrities got introduced to crypto during the NFT moment, and then a lot left the space after that. But you've stayed, and it seems like you're really interested in the finance and investing side. Beyond some kind of quick pop. So I'm curious, as an investor, what you'd like to see built in the space that isn't here yet. Like, what do you imagine people should be solving for? I mean, I think that the key is just to make good products, right? I think we got to step away from saying, hey, I'm making a crypto project. I think it's like Uber or Lyft or any of these applications, right? We don't know under the hood if it's AWS or it's cloud.

5:04事實上，如果我叫一台 Uber，或者在這裡我想應該叫 Grab，只要我輸入我的位置，讓車來接我並載我到目的地，我根本不在乎底層用了什麼技術，只要能把我送到就好。而我認為在加密貨幣領域，尤其是現在的 RWA，我們看到的情況是，像是把迷因幣與尚未上市的股票掛鉤。我認為這是一個很好的方式，讓散戶能夠理解並進入鏈上世界。所以我認為這就是下一步，也是讓我作為投資人或身處這個產業感到興奮的地方。The fact, if I call an Uber or I call over here, I think it's called Grab, if I put my location, pick me up and take me to where I go. I don't care what technology is used under the hood, just get me there. And I think for crypto, what we're seeing right now, especially with the RWAs, it's pegging, you know, meme coins to pre-IPO stocks, right? I think that's a good way to get retail to understand and come on chain. So I think that's kind of the—The next step, what excites me as an investor or being in the space.

5:34運動、預測市場與社群新玩法

5:34其實，現在運動產業——這顯然是你大部分人生的專業領域——和加密貨幣之間也出現了一個新的連結，那就是預測市場和體育博彩。所以我想問你一個相關的問題，就是大型體育博彩平台通常會從每一美元的投注中抽取七到九美分。而目前，麻薩諸塞州的監管機構發現，在體育博彩領域裡，那些經常贏錢的玩家往往會被平台踢出去。如果把預測市場搬到鏈上，就有機會做出一些不同的事情，讓使用者獲得更多好處。你怎麼看這件事？你對預測市場和這個機會感到興奮嗎？對，我非常喜歡預測市場。Well, there's also an emerging connection between sports, which obviously is your métier for most of your life so far, and crypto, which is prediction markets, sports betting. And so the question I have for you about that, I mean, the big sports books keep seven to nine cents out of every dollar that's spent. And right now, regulators in Massachusetts have found that a lot of the players that tend to win in that sports betting arena tend to get booted off the platforms. With prediction markets on-chain, there's an opportunity to do something different that benefits the user more. What do you think about that? Are you excited about prediction markets and that opportunity? Yeah, no, I love prediction markets.

6:21我認為，Shane 在 Polymarket 做的事情，以及 Tarek 在 Kalshi 做的事情，真的正在顛覆這個領域。兩位很棒的創辦人，也是我的好朋友，他們真的找到了顛覆這個產業的方法。我覺得傳統的運動博彩和去拉斯維加斯，現在你看到那些賭場，它們正在衰退，甚至變得死氣沉沉。我認為他們過去所做的，就是像你說的那樣，利用人們、佔人便宜，賺取巨額利潤。而現在有了預測市場，我們可以自己設定獎金池。那個抽水，對吧？所有這些東西的抽水。對，我覺得，還有一點我也很喜歡，就是讓年輕人也能自己創建獎金池，對吧？I mean, what Shane's doing at Polymarket and what Tarek's doing at Kalshi, I think is disrupting the space. Two great founders, two good buddies of mine that have really figured out how to disrupt the space. I think the traditional sportsbook and going to Vegas, I mean, you see the casinos, they're dying and they're becoming dead. And I think what they've done is Preyed on people and taking advantage, like you said, the amount of money they make on top of everything, where now with prediction markets, we can set the pool. The vig, right? The vig on all those things. Yeah, and I think, you know, being able—you know, what I even like as well is being able for young people to create their own pools, right?

6:54就像，誰會成為我們高中下一屆的畢業致詞代表，對吧？像這種事情，我覺得不一定要到很專業的層級，你甚至可以把它帶到——帶到微觀層面，對吧？帶到比較小的賭注，像是在社區裡，讓這件事變得有趣又刺激。但我覺得這也有助於運動預測市場，也有助於粉絲的參與，對吧？因為如果你注意到，其實有40%的預測市場參與者是女性，這是根據參與者來說的。我昨天跟我朋友Alexis（他是Reddit的創辦人）坐在一起時才知道這個數據。他說有40%的下注者是女性，這對我們男性來說是好事。所以當我們坐著看NFL星期天比賽時，我們的老婆現在不會再抱怨了。她們其實也加入我們一起下注。所以這真的很不錯。Like, who's going to be the next valedictorian at our high school, right? Like those things where I think it doesn't have to be so much the professional level where you can even bring it to the—To the micro, right? To the smaller bets where it's in the community, where it's making fun and exciting. But I think it also helps sports prediction markets. It helps fan engagement, right? Because if you notice that, I think 40% of the prediction market space are women, in terms of people that are participating. I actually got that stat yesterday when I was sitting with my buddy Alexis, who started Reddit. He said that 40% of the bettors are women, which helps us as men. So when we're sitting watching NFL Sundays, our wives are not complaining now. They're actually joining us in these bets. So it's been good.

7:37其實，預測市場以及一般的體育博彩現在都非常火紅，看起來這就是年輕人想要花時間做的事情。作為一名球員，隨著這些小型市場的形成，你會不會擔心那些有能力影響市場的人也參與其中？ 不會，你知道我最喜歡這一點的是，這是一個機會，我認為我們過去給了體育播報員太多的信任和關注，總是聽他們在大型電視網上的評論。但我真的相信，現在在 X（前 Twitter）、在社群媒體上的年輕人，其實更懂這項運動。Well, prediction markets and just sports betting generally are completely popping off, and it seems like that's what young people want to do with their time. As a player, and with these small markets forming, are you concerned at all that people with the ability to affect the markets are playing in them? No, you know what I love about this is that this is an opportunity where I think we give way too much credit and listen, you know, to the words of the sports broadcasters that sit on the big networks. Where I truly believe there are young people on X, on social media, that actually know the game better.

8:15我認為這是一個機會，如果一個預測市場平台能夠加入更大的社交層，類似於FOMO和Pump正在嘗試做的事情，你就不需要再去追蹤某個錢包來看誰是明星。你可以為它創造一個社交層。想像一下，現在在預測市場平台上，你可以看到誰擁有最大的損益，這些人現在可以真正發聲，甚至上直播，分享他們為什麼認為這支隊伍很棒的看法，而不必再去看那些坐在Fox、ESPN，或者在這一邊世界是Sky或BBC的人。有些我最數據導向的交易員朋友，現在都在分析球員的所有數據、傷病狀況、是否上場等等。所以看著這一切真的很有趣。And I think this is an opportunity where if a prediction market platform can add a bigger social layer to it, very similar to what FOMO and Pump are trying to do, where you kind of, instead of you having to track a wallet to see who the star is. You create a social layer to it. So imagine now Prediction Market platform, you can see who has the biggest P&Ls, where now these guys can actually have a voice and go on livestream and give their opinion on why they think this team is so great, instead of having to watch, you know, the people that sit on Fox, ESPN, or on this side of the world, I guess it's Sky or BBC. Some of my most data-driven trader friends are now analyzing everything about players' stats, injuries, are they in or out of the game. So it's been really fun to watch that.

9:05運動員該當老闆，不只是代言人

9:05你曾經寫過，運動員應該成為擁有者和建設者，而不是僅僅當品牌大使，而你在這個領域也曾經扮演過這兩種角色。我很好奇，有什麼樣的合作你絕對不會再簽？你現在又在尋找什麼樣的合作？ 對我來說，現在也是，我覺得對每個人來說，我們都應該不斷突破極限，爭取更多的所有權，對吧？而不是像以前那樣只是賣賣洗澡水，實際上應該成為這個東西的經營者和擁有者，對吧？所以我認為，如果你看看我們這個領域裡的一些偉大人物和企業家，我覺得地球上最有影響力的人就是Elon Musk，對吧？You've written that athletes should be owners and builders rather than ambassadors, and you've been both in this space at various points. I'm curious. What kind of deal would you never sign again, and what kind of deal are you looking for? Yeah, I think for me now, and I think for everyone, we should always push the limit to gain more ownership, right, and be less of, like, selling this bathwater and actually just being an operator and owner of it, right? So I think if you look at some of the greats. Business and entrepreneurs that we have in our space, you know, I think the number one influencer on planet Earth is Elon Musk, right?

9:42因為他不只是利用他的NIL，他也深入參與各種事務，同時也是公司成長的一部分，對吧？我認為這很重要，你知道，如果你回頭看二十年前，大多數創辦人根本不會上電視或參加媒體宣傳。但現在連Jeff Bezos都從退休狀態出來，創立了Prometheus，親自出面談論他想要在實體AI領域做什麼，對吧？我也有投資，因為我認為如果他能擁有實體AI領域30%的市佔，那會非常厲害。但我認為更重要的是要擁有你所參與的事業，而不是只是被人牽著到處展示。Because not only is he leveraging his NIL, he's also in the weed of things, and he's also part of the growth of the company, right? And I think that's, you know, if you looked at 20 years ago, most founders would never go on TV and do a media run. But now you even have Jeff Bezos coming out of retirement, starting Prometheus, going there talking about what he's trying to do with physical AI, right? Which I also invested, because I think I'll be very good if he can own 30% of the physical AI space. But I think it's more of owning what you're part of and not just having somebody show pony you around.

10:13AI 對運動與健康的影響

10:13我很好奇，你剛剛提到 AI。你認為 AI 會如何改變體育世界呢？ 嗯，我認為，對於現場體育賽事和人與人之間的互動，像這樣的東西，AI 是永遠無法取代的。不管我們多想坐在 Zoom 上彼此交談，都無法取代這種面對面的互動和現場感受到的能量。所以我認為，對於體育來說，這就是唯一的一個領域。這也是為什麼你會發現很多私募股權和家族辦公室都想要涉足體育產業，或者說，涉足現場的人際互動，因為這是唯一一個無論如何都無法被取代的領域。I'm curious, you know, you mentioned AI. How do you see AI transforming the sports world? Well, I think for, I think live sports and human interaction, something like this, right? I think... AI can never replace. No matter how much we want to sit on a Zoom call and talk amongst each other, there's nothing of this in-person interaction and feeling the energy. So I think for sports, it's the one area. That's why you notice a lot of private equity and family offices are trying to get exposure into the sports world or into, you know, live human interaction, because that's the one area that it doesn't matter.

10:49你知道，除了中國奧運會上那些機器人以外，沒有人想看到十八個機器人在高爾夫球場上一桿進洞，或者一群機器人跳十英尺灌籃。大家還是想看人類中那最頂尖的1%去做大多數人做不到的事情。這依然是會讓你目瞪口呆的東西。You know, outside of the, you know, Chinese Olympics with the robots, nobody wants to see 18 robots get a hole in one on a golf course, or see a bunch of robots jumping 10 feet to dunk the basketball. It's still humans being able to watch the 1% of the 1% do something that most humans can't. It's still something that has your jaw dropping.

11:21你也常常談到你對於人工智慧在健康領域的興趣，而且也寫過關於你弟弟Amari的文章。也許你可以跟我們聊聊這對你來說代表什麼，以及你怎麼看待人工智慧和健康結合的可能性。 嗯，我覺得，你知道，大家——我是開酒類公司的，所以很明顯可以看到酒類銷售的數字在下降。大家喝酒的量變少了，反而喝更多抹茶、咖啡和拿鐵。我自己也是其中之一。我昨天就喝了四杯拿鐵。 四杯拿鐵？ 對，我喝了四杯。我整個很有精神。那天很長—— 你睡得還好嗎？ 喔，我很容易就能睡著。我一分鐘內就可以秒睡。You've also talked a lot about your interest in AI for health. And written about your brother Amari. Maybe you can talk to us about what that means to you and how you've been thinking about AI and health going together. Yeah, well, I think, you know, everyone's—I mean, I own a liquor company, so obviously you see the numbers are down on liquor sales. People are drinking less alcohol and drinking more matchas and coffees and lattes. Which I am one of those. I had four lattes yesterday, but I— Four lattes? Yeah, I had four. I was rolling. It was a long— Did you sleep okay? Oh, I can fall asleep very easily. In one minute, I can knock out.

11:59但我覺得——你會監測你的靜息心率嗎？喔，會啊，我有用 Whoop，所以我一定會。但我認為健康數據上鏈真的很重要，特別是因為我經歷過的事情，我家人和我哥哥有癲癇的經驗。現在要取得你的健康數據——打電話給醫院、打電話給你的醫生。說真的，我覺得醫生是我人生中看過放最多假的職業。所以要拿到你的健康紀錄，尤其是你人在國外時，是最困難的事情之一。所以能夠把這些資料掌握在自己手中，我覺得這很重要。我記得有一家公司叫 Function Health。But I think for— You monitor your resting heart rate? Oh yeah, I have my Whoop, so yeah, I have to. But no, I think health data on-chain, I think, is very important, especially because of what I went through, our family experience with my brother who has epilepsy. Being able—Trying to get access for your health data right now, calling hospitals, calling your doctors. For some reason, I feel like doctors take the most holidays I've ever experienced in my life. So getting a hold of your health records, especially if you're international, it's one of the most challenging things. So being able to have that in the palm of your hands, I think there's a company called Function Health.

12:33他們在這方面做得很好，讓你的資訊掌握在你自己手中，因為我知道。你知道，現在只要有人咳嗽，你就會上 WebMD 查，然後他們會告訴你你得了肺炎，對吧？我們需要、你需要 AI 能夠根據你個人量身打造，對吧？因為讓我生病的原因，或我咳嗽的原因，可能跟你咳嗽的原因不一樣，對吧？所以我認為現在 AI 很重要的一點，就是它有點像是在為你創造一個專屬醫生。我認為這就是下一波趨勢，尤其是因為現在大家都很重視健康、極限發揮，每個人都想賺更多錢。我們不如活得更健康一點，這樣才能享受我們努力的成果。They're doing a good job with that, keeping your information in the palm of your hands, because I know. You know, when someone gets a cough right now, you'll go on WebMD and they'll tell you you have pneumonia, right? Like, we need, you need AI to kind of be tailor-made to who you are, right? Because what makes me sick or what I'm coughing could be different than what you're coughing about, right? So I think it's important that the AI now is kind of like creating your own physician. And I think that's the next wave, especially because Everyone's big on this health, look at maxing, and we're all trying to make as much money as we can. We might as well live a more healthier life so we can enjoy the fruits of our labor.

13:09你有投資這個領域嗎？當然，這是大趨勢。現在很多國家、主權基金都在投資長壽產業，像中東、阿布達比、杜拜都很積極。這領域還很早期，像胜肽（peptides）現在還很灰色，大家都亂買，根本不知道成分。這是投資人一定要關注的領域。Are you also investing in that space? Of course. I think it's a big thing. It's a big narrative right now. You see a lot of countries and sovereign funds backing longevity. If you see in the Middle East, in the UAE, in Abu Dhabi, they're pushing, especially in Dubai as well. So you understand that this is a sector that's very early. I mean, even look at peptides, right? Right now, it's such a gray space where people are buying peptides from, like, their local trainer that has no credibility. You don't know if it's contaminated or what's going into it. You just want to look good. So I think this is an area that is still early, where if you're an investor, you got to give it a look.

13:46你自己會嘗試這些東西嗎？你算是 biohacker 嗎？當然！我覺得現場大概 80% 的人都試過胜肽、GLP、Wolverine stack 這些。我也想盡量保持年輕、健康，尤其我的膝蓋磨損很嚴重，能讓我繼續動、繼續跟年輕 DJ 跳舞就好。Do you experiment at all with these things with yourself? Do you consider yourself a biohacker at all? Of course. I mean, listen, I think probably 80% of us here either, you know, might have tried a peptide, looked into a GLP, looked into a Wolverine stack pack, something, right? So, I mean, listen, I'll be honest. I want to look good for as long as I can and feeling great, especially with the wear and tear on these knees. So whatever I could do to keep myself sitting upright and moving and grooving and keeping up with the young DJs, I'm all for it.

14:16未來計畫與加密教育的價值

14:16最後一題，未來一年兩年你在這個圈子會有什麼新動作？我會繼續參與這個大敘事，健康、健康數據上鏈是重點，也希望讓更多人變成 owner、operator。我很看好 meme 幣跟 pre-IPO 股票掛鉤，像我有買 Butthole，拿到 Anthropics pre-IPO 配額，未來 OpenAI、Stripe、Anduril 也會這樣，這是吸引更多散戶資金進來的好方法，我很期待。Last question for this audience: what can they expect to see from you in this space over the next year or two? I mean, I think right now it's just continue being part of a, you know, a great narrative. I think, like you said, health is a big thing. Health data on-chain is great, I think. Positioning more people to want to become owners and operators. I think, especially with pairing, you know, I'm very bullish on the fact that we're pairing, you know, meme coins to pre-IPO stocks. I mean, I did buy, I don't know how many people are on Chain or bought. Butthole, and it gives you anthropic pre-IPO. So obviously we know that's going to be rinse and repeat with OpenAI, probably Stripe, probably Anduril. So I think that's a great way to bring more retail capital on-chain. So that's something I'm excited about.

15:05我覺得加密真的讓一整代人學會了金融，這是商學院學不到的。商學院只會教你微觀、總體經濟，但人與人的互動、on-chain 經驗才是最好的老師。你要學會存錢，最好的方法就是自己槓桿爆倉一次，這才學得快。這是很棒的結尾，謝謝大家！I feel like crypto has really educated a whole generation about finance, if nothing else, and you've been part of that. Yeah, you can't get this in business school. You know, business school is going to teach you, you know, the micro macros, but—I think, you know, human interaction and being on chain, I think it's the best teacher. Experience. The best way you're gonna learn how to save your money is maybe over-leveraging a hype long and getting liquid. It's the best way to learn. I think that's a beautiful note to close on. Thank you so much. Appreciate it, guys. Thank you.